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AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 01:32 PM

Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton?
 
Here a click baiter from SI.com that has very little, if anything, to do with the headline.

:rofl:

I know a few of you will like it, though. ;)

Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton?

JONATHAN JONES
Friday June 30th, 2017

For what seems like the past four off-seasons, the New Orleans Saints have faced a handful of issues that threaten to derail what the franchise has built.

Coach Sean Payton comes up as a candidate for one or more job openings. The Saints, known for the fiscal irresponsibility, get into some sort of new salary cap hell. Or there’s a situation with QB Drew Brees’s contract that paralyzes the team and whatever moves the Saints may make that offseason and beyond.

It’s been 12 years of the Brees/Payton marriage, and even though it’s seen some rocky times—especially the last three seasons, with identical 7–9 records—it remains in tact. But for how much longer? Since winning Super Bowl XLIV, the Saints have two playoff wins in five postseason games. Is it reasonable to think this season may be the Saints’ last good season with Payton and Brees?

First and foremost, it should be noted that even though Brees is entering his age-38 season, there’s not much sign of his play diminishing. Surely his arm would get weaker as the season goes along, but he hasn’t played January football since he was 34 so it’s difficult to assess. Brees is likely a season and a half away from catching Peyton Manning for first place on the all-time passing yards list, and the Saints have been in the top six of the league in passing yards since he got to New Orleans (and top 10 in points in eight of his 11 seasons.)

More here ...

halloween 65 06-30-2017 03:27 PM

Re: Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton?
 
Good question!! Ask me again if we finish 7-9 and our D stinks up the joint, I'll add several more names to that list, quickly!!

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 754009)
Good question!! Ask me again if we finish 7-9 and our D stinks up the joint, I'll add several more names to that list, quickly!!

LOL! Those two aren't going anywhere until they choose to leave the game. Record makes no difference. It's not what you want, halloween, it is reality.

Papa Voodoo 06-30-2017 04:34 PM

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I'm sure the same exact articles were written about the Saints in the '09 preseason. We all know how that went :)

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 754025)
I'm sure the same exact articles were written about the Saints in the '09 preseason. We all know how that went :)

Damn straight, Papa!

:bng:

halloween 65 06-30-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754017)
LOL! Those two aren't going anywhere until they choose to leave the game. Record makes no difference. It's not what you want, halloween, it is reality.

Reality is another 7-9 season and we'll see. 4 strait years !! Odds would be leaning heavy in my favor with the payroll Benson puts up each year and a 4th 7-9 iosing season.

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 754028)
Reality is another 7-9 season and we'll see. 4 strait years !! Odds would be leaning heavy in my favor with the payroll Benson puts up each year and a 4th 7-9 iosing season.

Benson treats Loomis and Payton like they are his sons. They can do no wrong. Maybe any other owner ... but, as has been pointed out many times here before, there is a completely different dynamic with those involved with the Saints than anywhere else. That is a fact. You see it all the time.

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 04:57 PM

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Oh, and Benson could put up FAR more than that in payroll and still be coming out in the black. The owners are supported off shared revenue. He can't help but make money off the team.

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 05:02 PM

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All revenues generated by merchandising are shared between 31 teams. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys opted out of the agreement. The broadcast revenues are shared equally. The Cleveland Browns are making money going 1-15.

Welcome to the real world of the NFL.

vpheughan 06-30-2017 06:05 PM

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People in the seats are pocket change to the owners. TV contracts = $$$$$$$$$$$$ in the bank.

Danno 06-30-2017 06:52 PM

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Could this be the Saints' last season with Drew Brees and Sean Payton?
Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick?

My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years.

CheramieIII 06-30-2017 06:57 PM

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Could be the last time I read an article from this dumbarse

AsylumGuido 06-30-2017 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 754042)
Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick?

My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years.

Easily.

The Dude 07-01-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 754042)
Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick?

My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years.

No, because they win. Every year. Give them 4 losing seasons in 5 years and they would be gone.
Saints go 7-9 again and one or the other if not both are gone.
Can't see us going 7-9 though.

spkb25 07-01-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 754082)
No, because they win. Every year. Give them 4 losing seasons in 5 years and they would be gone.
Saints go 7-9 again and one or the other if not both are gone.
Can't see us going 7-9 though.

Yeah, in all honesty I think we are better too, but if we fall flat again I think there's going to be heavy discussions about SP being released. He is fortunate, in some sense, because his contract is still fairly new. But yes he doesn't have much longer to get it turned around. I think this is the year it starts to get better...we'll see.

The Dude 07-01-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754086)
Yeah, in all honesty I think we are better too, but if we fall flat again I think there's going to be heavy discussions about SP being released. He is fortunate, in some sense, because his contract is still fairly new. But yes he doesn't have much longer to get it turned around. I think this is the year it starts to get better...we'll see.

Not me I think drew sucks and won't last another year. Everyone will get injured and we will go 0-16.

darksoul35 07-02-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 754042)
Could this also be the Pats last season with Brady and Belichick?

My guess is that Brees and Payton want to stay for 3 or 4 more years.

I hope thats exactly what happens

The Dude 07-02-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 754107)
I hope thats exactly what happens

So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

Rugby Saint II 07-02-2017 11:34 AM

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If Drew is happy with the progress and doesn't feel the need to find a winner somewhere else then I think Payton and Drew are tied at the hip. If we start slowly and fall apart then Drew might look at other options. This isn't the same staff from a couple of years ago.......we are headed in the right direction. If we could just catch a break and get healthy.......

AsylumGuido 07-02-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 754108)
So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

You are in a tiny minority.

AsylumGuido 07-02-2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 754110)
If Drew is happy with the progress and doesn't feel the need to find a winner somewhere else then I think Payton and Drew are tied at the hip. If we start slowly and fall apart then Drew might look at other options. This isn't the same staff from a couple of years ago.......we are headed in the right direction. If we could just catch a break and get healthy.......

Drew doesn't want to find a winner elsewhere. He has said he is going to retire a Saint. Whenever he does decide to call it quits with New Orleans it will be because he is finished with football altogether.

spkb25 07-02-2017 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 754108)
So would you still want them after a couple more losing seasons?

I hope they stay along until I see improvement and we are winning. Anything less than that at this point and I'm ready to move on.

Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around.,

AsylumGuido 07-02-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754123)
Drew, yes. The guy is a winner. SP, if he can't turn it around, nope. Most of the fan base is slowly tiring of his act, but he can change that by winning again. Let's hope this year begins the turn around.,

Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well.

spkb25 07-02-2017 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 754110)
If Drew is happy with the progress and doesn't feel the need to find a winner somewhere else then I think Payton and Drew are tied at the hip. If we start slowly and fall apart then Drew might look at other options. This isn't the same staff from a couple of years ago.......we are headed in the right direction. If we could just catch a break and get healthy.......

There's not a player in the world that likes to play on a one year contract. There's a reason Drew hasn't signed or discussed it.

dizzle88 07-02-2017 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754125)
Only indirectly can the difficulties of the last three years be blamed on Payton. We all know his priority is the offense and the offense has remained one of the top two in the league virtually every year. He handed the defense over to Rob Ryan and it proved to be a disaster. Yes, that can be blamed on him. He can also be blamed for hanging on to Vitt and gang too long, but now they are gone and he replaced them with coaches with whom it appears we are all optimistic. He cannot be blamed for the injuries that decimated the defense last season. But, I guess he could be blamed for the special teams blunders that kept us from being 10-6 ... but, once again, he made a positive move in the coaching area there as well.

Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him.

I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great.

voodooido 07-02-2017 04:46 PM

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Brees would have to have a serious injury or the worst season of his career for us to let him walk. I could see a 2 year 40 million contract next year. He would be around for 3 years total breaking every qb record out there. All except farve into record lol. The city and team need Brees. He is the face of both and will be for years to come.

K Major 07-02-2017 08:17 PM

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Bad contracts, dead money, injury prone players, terrible draft picks (pre Ireland), holding on to bad coaches a season or two too long, historically bad defenses, etc, etc. I feel bad for Brees.

CharityMike 07-03-2017 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754137)
Bad contracts, dead money, injury prone players, terrible draft picks (pre Ireland), holding on to bad coaches a season or two too long, historically bad defenses, etc, etc. I feel bad for Brees.

Brees is wiping sweat off his forehead with $100 bills. I wouldn't feel to bad for him.

AsylumGuido 07-03-2017 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 754126)
There's not a player in the world that likes to play on a one year contract. There's a reason Drew hasn't signed or discussed it.

Peyton Manning did it for the last several years of his career. He also has the same agent as Brees. The only difference is that Manning got injured and was released by the Colts. Brees has discussed it and said he wanted to do the year to year the rest of his playing career. It does protect the team and gives him the ability to adjust to help the cap when needed.

AsylumGuido 07-03-2017 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 754130)
Rob had the defense playing great in 2013 and then "apparently" SP wanted a defense more like Seattle's, got too involved in the defense, got rid of some key members and then pinned it on Rob Ryan and sacked him.

I think SP is responsible for more of the D's failings than we know, 4 DC's in 5 years is not great.

The defense was playing great because Ryan had not fully implemented his scheme. They were playing the same "dummied down" version in 2013 that they played his first year in Dallas when they looked good. Then, just as he had in Dallas, he implemented the full read and react scheme the following year and the players were always a second behind the play. He implied the Dallas players weren't smart enough to handle the scheme. No, his scheme simply doesn't work and never has when fully implemented.

Payton has finally decided to stick with a DC. THAT is a good thing. Although, Gregg Williams had to go. So did Ryan. It is time to stick with Allen.

AsylumGuido 07-03-2017 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 754142)
Brees is wiping sweat off his forehead with $100 bills. I wouldn't feel to bad for him.

He is also an icon in New Orleans. He eats it up. When he does finally retire I'll guarantee you he goes into politics. He has already hinted at the prospect. Any office he wants is his and that is another reason he will remain in New Orleans for the remainder of his career.

K Major 07-03-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 754142)
Brees is wiping sweat off his forehead with $100 bills. I wouldn't feel to bad for him.

"Feeling bad for Brees" in terms of carrying a team (on offense at the QB position) on the gridiron ... year after year and all we can muster up is 7-9 seasons. This guy has been nothing but great since he arrived in New Orleans. Accuracy, reading defenses, leader of men, yada, yada. He can't do it by himself. No one is talking about his salary, running for Mayor after his time is done, opening up restaurants in N.O etc.


It's time for others (defense, special teams & coaches) to step up in 2017.

AsylumGuido 07-03-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754182)
"Feeling bad for Brees" in terms of carrying a team (on offense at the QB position) on the gridiron ... year after year and all we can muster up is 7-9 seasons. This guy has been nothing but great since he arrived in New Orleans. Accuracy, reading defenses, leader of men, yada, yada. He can't do it by himself. No one is talking about his salary, running for Mayor after his time is done, opening up restaurants in N.O etc.


It's time for others (defense, special teams & coaches) to step up in 2017.

This is the year.

SmashMouth 07-05-2017 10:45 PM

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WillSaints81 07-08-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 754182)
"Feeling bad for Brees" in terms of carrying a team (on offense at the QB position) on the gridiron ... year after year and all we can muster up is 7-9 seasons. This guy has been nothing but great since he arrived in New Orleans. Accuracy, reading defenses, leader of men, yada, yada. He can't do it by himself. No one is talking about his salary, running for Mayor after his time is done, opening up restaurants in N.O etc.


It's time for others (defense, special teams & coaches) to step up in 2017.

If we had a improved defense, does Brees play improve to the point that he's as good as Rodgers and the media admits it? Brees has his share of this team's issues.

AsylumGuido 07-08-2017 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 754506)
If we had a improved defense, does Brees play improve to the point that he's as good as Rodgers and the media admits it? Brees has his share of this team's issues.

Once again, are you serious? Or do you just want more of your attention? :dunce:

RaginCajun83 07-08-2017 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 754506)
If we had a improved defense, does Brees play improve to the point that he's as good as Rodgers and the media admits it? Brees has his share of this team's issues.

Hello McFly he's already better than Rodgers, it's the stupid media that keeps telling people that he isn't and suckers keep believing it

RailBoss 07-08-2017 10:25 PM

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See an awful lot of Saints shirts all around the country with name Brees on them. His personality and work ethics have made him a bit of a legend in this sport. I agree with those who say he retires a Saint and heads to a
Governors job in some West Coast State.

The Dude 07-09-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 754509)
Once again, are you serious? Or do you just want more of your attention? :dunce:

He is exactly like you. He just posts for attention. Never mind him he isn't a Saints fan anyway. Don't waste your energy. That being said I would like to see both of you going round and round on the same hampster wheel.
I bet you two would create some sort of doofus vortex that would disrupt the space time continuum

WillSaints81 07-09-2017 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 754514)
Hello McFly he's already better than Rodgers, it's the stupid media that keeps telling people that he isn't and suckers keep believing it


Passing yards and completion percentages does not determine one's greatness over the other. Brees simply has to win two more SBs to be better than Rodgers.


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