The sooner the regular season starts the better

Rugby Saint II · 07-13-2017, 05:28 PM

[QUOTE=foreverfan;754876]Too many of you people haven't answered the off season tread question designed to keep us from getting boarded.
It appears that Smashmouth's tent is going to be full this year.

[/QUOTE

I was hoping to organize a camping trip but things have turned ugly..................

Maybe we should rent some cabins.

CharityMike · 07-13-2017, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Do any of you care what I think? I knew you did...
Ok then... here is my answer to Question to #8:

Where is the white women?

OFF-SEASON QUESTION #69:
Which white woman do you like better #1, #2, #3, #4...?

Anybody that doesn't answer this question will have to report to Smashmouth's tent
at midnight at the B&G Camping Trip.

#4 for me please!!!

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2017, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Do any of you care what I think? I knew you did...
Ok then... here is my answer to Question to #8:

Where is the white women?

OFF-SEASON QUESTION #69:
Which white woman do you like better #1, #2, #3, #4...?

Anybody that doesn't answer this question will have to report to Smashmouth's tent
at midnight at the B&G Camping Trip.

No doubt ... Numero uno! Ella es tan caliente como usted puede conseguir!

ChrisXVI · 07-11-2017, 06:10 AM

Not a bad post at all Will! Should warrant some pretty good discussion. I can't really say anything for certain though until after training camp and maybe even the third preseason game. If our CB's start dropping like flies again we could end up starting Arthur Maulet and some street free agent like Alterraun Verner just like last season with Crawley/Moore.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-11-2017, 11:30 AM

Good questions for the most part. I'll take a crack at them.

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

I just want all these questions answered......

1.Has the defense become top 20 or a turnover-generating one?

Depends on how you measure. My only metric is points allowed. Last year the defense was up near 28 PPG. That needs to be knocked down by a TD. League average was a shade over 22 PPG last year. That's the target. Past history has shown that the Payton Saints are successful when the team gives up 350 points or less during the season.

2.Will the oline be better than last year?

3.If AP is not starting, will he be able to break off massive runs with reduced volume?

My feeling is that neither is as important as the offense delivering at crunch time. It's a feeling that oppose the stats. The Saints last year were 3rd in the league in both number and percentage of 3 and out drives (28 drives for a 15% total). Also once again the team was #1 in 3rd down percentage at 48%. But it just felt like several times when the offense needed 2 yards to win the game, that it was challenging. An interesting question is who is Payton going to line up in the backfield in those situations?

4.Will Ingram actually start to beat good run defenses like the elites do?

It'll be interesting to watch. Peterson has spent his entire career going up against defenses that were designed to stop him. Ingram never has. It's also unclear how or when the Saints offense will transform to power football. I look forward to seeing ball deflating drives in the 4th quarter when everyone knows we're running the ball and the offense is successful in doing so.

5.Will the adage apply that a defense that gives short fields will cut down on Brees' poor throws and actually improve points?

I'm not sure that these two have a direct correlation. The more direct correlation seems to be trying to match points with teams. Unfortunately I think it happens on both ends of the point scale. The offense takes more chances and makes more mistakes when they are behind whether or not it's a game in the 30's or a game in the teens.

Maybe it's the fact that turnovers and short fields often leads to a lead. And frankly every facet of the Saints seems to play better with a lead.

6.Will Lutz be in a situation to have to kick more FGs than he is able to if the defense improves but only FG attempts result?

7.If the defense is good, does the offense release hidden plays that would have been effective last year?

Not sure about either of these, Personally I'd like to see Lutz being overworked kicking 33 yd extra points.

As for the last one you can bet that Payton has drawn up plays we haven't seen before. I mean imagine Ingram and Peterson in the backfield with Kamara in the slot...

SFIAH

neugey · 07-11-2017, 12:16 PM

#1 from the White Women list

|Mitch| · 07-11-2017, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

5.Will the adage apply that a defense that gives short fields will cut down on Brees' poor throws and actually improve points?

7.If the defense is good, does the offense release hidden plays that would have been effective last year?

Overall, the two big things on my mind is 1.Ingram not making or making AP look stupid as a backup and 2.the defense giving short fields actually paying off.

My thinking is that the offense will help support the defense rather than vice-versa...

It's going to be hard for defenses to key in on any one facet of the offense; You have AP/Ingram who should both be running well, defenses will have to stack the box more than just keying in on the pass. Than that opens up play-action and then when all else fails you have Kamara who should beast as the wild card like Sproles/Bush did...

K Major · 07-11-2017, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

1.Has the defense become top 20 or a turnover-generating one?

^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017.

Rugby Saint II · 07-12-2017, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017.

That's enough with the know it all football discussion............post some boobs......or stupid cat stuff if you prefer.

ChrisXVI · 07-12-2017, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017.

Our 2009 defense... 25th in total yards, but 2nd in turnovers. Huge importance.

07-11-2017, 11:30 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Good questions for the most part. I'll take a crack at them. Originally Posted by WillSaints81 I just want all these questions answered...... 1.Has the defense become top 20 or a turnover-generating one? Depends on how you measure. My only metric is points allowed. Last year the defense was up near 28 PPG. That needs to be knocked down by a TD. League average was a shade over 22 PPG last year. That's the target. Past history has shown that the Payton Saints are successful when the team gives up 350 points or less during the season. 2.Will the oline be better than last year? 3.If AP is not starting, will he be able to break off massive runs with reduced volume? My feeling is that neither is as important as the offense delivering at crunch time. It's a feeling that oppose the stats. The Saints last year were 3rd in the league in both number and percentage of 3 and out drives (28 drives for a 15% total). Also once again the team was #1 in 3rd down percentage at 48%. But it just felt like several times when the offense needed 2 yards to win the game, that it was challenging. An interesting question is who is Payton going to line up in the backfield in those situations? 4.Will Ingram actually start to beat good run defenses like the elites do? It'll be interesting to watch. Peterson has spent his entire career going up against defenses that were designed to stop him. Ingram never has. It's also unclear how or when the Saints offense will transform to power football. I look forward to seeing ball deflating drives in the 4th quarter when everyone knows we're running the ball and the offense is successful in doing so. 5.Will the adage apply that a defense that gives short fields will cut down on Brees' poor throws and actually improve points? I'm not sure that these two have a direct correlation. The more direct correlation seems to be trying to match points with teams. Unfortunately I think it happens on both ends of the point scale. The offense takes more chances and makes more mistakes when they are behind whether or not it's a game in the 30's or a game in the teens. Maybe it's the fact that turnovers and short fields often leads to a lead. And frankly every facet of the Saints seems to play better with a lead. 6.Will Lutz be in a situation to have to kick more FGs than he is able to if the defense improves but only FG attempts result? 7.If the defense is good, does the offense release hidden plays that would have been effective last year? Not sure about either of these, Personally I'd like to see Lutz being overworked kicking 33 yd extra points. As for the last one you can bet that Payton has drawn up plays we haven't seen before. I mean imagine Ingram and Peterson in the backfield with Kamara in the slot... SFIAH
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07-11-2017, 12:41 PM	#7
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by WillSaints81 5.Will the adage apply that a defense that gives short fields will cut down on Brees' poor throws and actually improve points? 7.If the defense is good, does the offense release hidden plays that would have been effective last year? Overall, the two big things on my mind is 1.Ingram not making or making AP look stupid as a backup and 2.the defense giving short fields actually paying off. My thinking is that the offense will help support the defense rather than vice-versa... It's going to be hard for defenses to key in on any one facet of the offense; You have AP/Ingram who should both be running well, defenses will have to stack the box more than just keying in on the pass. Than that opens up play-action and then when all else fails you have Kamara who should beast as the wild card like Sproles/Bush did...

07-12-2017, 12:36 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by K Major ^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017. That's enough with the know it all football discussion............post some boobs......or stupid cat stuff if you prefer. K Major likes this.

07-12-2017, 04:28 PM	#10
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by K Major ^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017. Our 2009 defense... 25th in total yards, but 2nd in turnovers. Huge importance. K Major likes this.

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07-13-2017, 05:28 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,200	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better [QUOTE=foreverfan;754876]Too many of you people haven't answered the off season tread question designed to keep us from getting boarded. It appears that Smashmouth's tent is going to be full this year. [/QUOTE I was hoping to organize a camping trip but things have turned ugly.................. Maybe we should rent some cabins. foreverfan likes this.

07-13-2017, 01:10 PM	#2
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by foreverfan Do any of you care what I think? I knew you did... Ok then... here is my answer to Question to #8: Where is the white women? OFF-SEASON QUESTION #69: Which white woman do you like better #1, #2, #3, #4...? Anybody that doesn't answer this question will have to report to Smashmouth's tent at midnight at the B&G Camping Trip. #4 for me please!!!

07-13-2017, 05:33 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,854	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by foreverfan Do any of you care what I think? I knew you did... Ok then... here is my answer to Question to #8: Where is the white women? OFF-SEASON QUESTION #69: Which white woman do you like better #1, #2, #3, #4...? Anybody that doesn't answer this question will have to report to Smashmouth's tent at midnight at the B&G Camping Trip. No doubt ... Numero uno! Ella es tan caliente como usted puede conseguir! Rugby Saint II likes this.

07-11-2017, 06:10 AM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Not a bad post at all Will! Should warrant some pretty good discussion. I can't really say anything for certain though until after training camp and maybe even the third preseason game. If our CB's start dropping like flies again we could end up starting Arthur Maulet and some street free agent like Alterraun Verner just like last season with Crawley/Moore.

07-11-2017, 12:16 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better #1 from the White Women list foreverfan, Rugby Saint II and BusDriver like this.

07-11-2017, 01:49 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,868 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The sooner the regular season starts the better Originally Posted by WillSaints81 1.Has the defense become top 20 or a turnover-generating one? ^^^^^^^ This is most important for me. Take-aways /points off turnover ratio & getting off the field on 3rd down. Fix the defense & the Saints are going places in 2017. Rugby Saint II likes this.