Goodbye Ellerbe!

73Saint · 07-26-2017, 04:11 PM

Heard he came to camp fat(ter) as well. When he was on the field, our winning percentage went up drastically (similar to jabari greer stats if I remember correct). Shame he couldn't, though. And, that's what we need most so good riddance.

AsylumGuido · 07-26-2017, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

Heard he came to camp fat(ter) as well. When he was on the field, our winning percentage went up drastically (similar to jabari greer stats if I remember correct). Shame he couldn't, though. And, that's what we need most so good riddance.

With a bad foot I can understand added weight.

Crusader · 07-26-2017, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

With a bad foot I can understand added weight.

I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me.

AsylumGuido · 07-26-2017, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me.

Keeping weight off has a ton to do with the feet. You have to burn calories. Unless you swim the next two best avenues of burning those calories are running and biking and both require healthy feet. Diet alone won't do it. I know. I lost 50 pounds since last June and walking 5-6 miles per day was the key. Yes, diet is important, but I have never been able to do it until the exercise.

spkb25 · 07-27-2017, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me.

It has to do with both. Diet is soooooooooo important. Next resistance training or lifting weights is far superior to just cardio. You should do both for health, however. Resistance training is better because it burns more calories when at rest. Next, cardio is best done in short bursts or circuit training where you're on and then off, on and then off. Sprints are a great. Lastly, jumping, squatting, etc are far superior to long distance cardio.Jump rope, man God I love jumping rope. Long distance cardio would be the last thing you'd want to do.

Now clearly I am not talking about people who run marathons, but no need to run 4-5 miles. It is less effective than what I talked about above.

For how your body looks, though, it is diet diet diet diet diet diet diet diet diet. Especially the older you get. Unless you're a 20 year old Olympic champion swimmer, diet diet diet diet diet diet diet.

You are correct, Cru.

FinSaint · 07-28-2017, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

It has to do with both. Diet is soooooooooo important. Next resistance training or lifting weights is far superior to just cardio. You should do both for health, however. Resistance training is better because it burns more calories when at rest. Next, cardio is best done in short bursts or circuit training where you're on and then off, on and then off. Sprints are a great. Lastly, jumping, squatting, etc are far superior to long distance cardio.Jump rope, man God I love jumping rope. Long distance cardio would be the last thing you'd want to do.

If you are purely burning calories, interval cardio training isn't the right choice. For calorie burning one should engage in cardio activity where your constant heart BPM stays in "zone 2" since that is where the average human body transforms the highest percentage of fat into energy.

Resistance and weight training is the key though as you stated due to the fat burning effect it provides under rest and the overall metabolic effects it has on one's body.

Interval cardio is for those who want to improve their cardiovascular stamina and capabilities along with potentially maximizing their VO2max values.

AllSaints · 07-27-2017, 10:49 PM

Awwww man now who can I look forward to seeing on the Injury Report every week....

foreverfan · 07-27-2017, 10:57 PM

Who...???

I must be posting too many boobs.

FinSaint · 07-28-2017, 04:39 PM

It is true that what works for some might not work for others. The variation in metabolism and body composition is wide among humans, so there naturally are studies that support both sides of this debate and also refute them both.

I personally believe in zone 2 cardio for maximizing fat burn, which translates to something around 130-140 BPM. I don't think running or jogging is the best way to get that cardio, but rather I'd do cardio circuit training with a lot of variation, while keeping that BPM closely within the target zone.

I think that a huge misconception that is widely held, is that you have to be huffing and buffing while sweating buckets full of misery in order to lose weight. Controlled cardio to maximize fat burn along with weight training while maintaining a diet that is customized for your needs, and a good sleeping schedule are the perfect mix for fat loss.

And you can't forget your overall happiness, since the mental side is many times the difference between either achieving your fitness goals or failing and giving up.

Sorry no articles to share on the go...

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07-26-2017, 04:11 PM	#1
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Heard he came to camp fat(ter) as well. When he was on the field, our winning percentage went up drastically (similar to jabari greer stats if I remember correct). Shame he couldn't, though. And, that's what we need most so good riddance.

07-26-2017, 04:15 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Originally Posted by 73Saint Heard he came to camp fat(ter) as well. When he was on the field, our winning percentage went up drastically (similar to jabari greer stats if I remember correct). Shame he couldn't, though. And, that's what we need most so good riddance. With a bad foot I can understand added weight.

07-26-2017, 05:28 PM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,044	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Originally Posted by AsylumGuido With a bad foot I can understand added weight. I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me.

07-26-2017, 05:34 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Originally Posted by Crusader I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me. Keeping weight off has a ton to do with the feet. You have to burn calories. Unless you swim the next two best avenues of burning those calories are running and biking and both require healthy feet. Diet alone won't do it. I know. I lost 50 pounds since last June and walking 5-6 miles per day was the key. Yes, diet is important, but I have never been able to do it until the exercise.

07-27-2017, 08:30 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Originally Posted by Crusader I don't since adding or shedding weight has so much more to do with diet than running or lifting. How an NFL player can't keep weight with all the tools they have at their disposal just baffles me. It has to do with both. Diet is soooooooooo important. Next resistance training or lifting weights is far superior to just cardio. You should do both for health, however. Resistance training is better because it burns more calories when at rest. Next, cardio is best done in short bursts or circuit training where you're on and then off, on and then off. Sprints are a great. Lastly, jumping, squatting, etc are far superior to long distance cardio.Jump rope, man God I love jumping rope. Long distance cardio would be the last thing you'd want to do. Now clearly I am not talking about people who run marathons, but no need to run 4-5 miles. It is less effective than what I talked about above. For how your body looks, though, it is diet diet diet diet diet diet diet diet diet. Especially the older you get. Unless you're a 20 year old Olympic champion swimmer, diet diet diet diet diet diet diet. You are correct, Cru. Crusader likes this.
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07-28-2017, 02:02 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! Originally Posted by spkb25 It has to do with both. Diet is soooooooooo important. Next resistance training or lifting weights is far superior to just cardio. You should do both for health, however. Resistance training is better because it burns more calories when at rest. Next, cardio is best done in short bursts or circuit training where you're on and then off, on and then off. Sprints are a great. Lastly, jumping, squatting, etc are far superior to long distance cardio.Jump rope, man God I love jumping rope. Long distance cardio would be the last thing you'd want to do. If you are purely burning calories, interval cardio training isn't the right choice. For calorie burning one should engage in cardio activity where your constant heart BPM stays in "zone 2" since that is where the average human body transforms the highest percentage of fat into energy. Resistance and weight training is the key though as you stated due to the fat burning effect it provides under rest and the overall metabolic effects it has on one's body. Interval cardio is for those who want to improve their cardiovascular stamina and capabilities along with potentially maximizing their VO2max values.
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07-27-2017, 10:49 PM	#7
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07-27-2017, 10:57 PM	#8
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07-28-2017, 04:39 PM	#9
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Goodbye Ellerbe! It is true that what works for some might not work for others. The variation in metabolism and body composition is wide among humans, so there naturally are studies that support both sides of this debate and also refute them both. I personally believe in zone 2 cardio for maximizing fat burn, which translates to something around 130-140 BPM. I don't think running or jogging is the best way to get that cardio, but rather I'd do cardio circuit training with a lot of variation, while keeping that BPM closely within the target zone. I think that a huge misconception that is widely held, is that you have to be huffing and buffing while sweating buckets full of misery in order to lose weight. Controlled cardio to maximize fat burn along with weight training while maintaining a diet that is customized for your needs, and a good sleeping schedule are the perfect mix for fat loss. And you can't forget your overall happiness, since the mental side is many times the difference between either achieving your fitness goals or failing and giving up. Sorry no articles to share on the go... Sent from my FRD-L19 using Tapatalk
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