What are we relying on the first few weeks?

WillSaints81 · 07-27-2017, 12:57 PM

Our oline is not going to be completely healthy. Not talking about TA here but Unger. So will we be relying on defense to not fatigue for these low scoring starts on offense?

ChrisXVI · 07-27-2017, 01:11 PM

Unger will be healthy in about a month. Pointless topic.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-27-2017, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Our oline is not going to be completely healthy. Not talking about TA here but Unger. So will we be relying on defense to not fatigue for these low scoring starts on offense?

Two false assumptions here:

1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season.

2. Low scoring starts. There is no evidence between O-Line changes and low scoring on the offense.

Given that both of the presumptions are false, there is really nothing to discuss.

SFIAH

Crusader · 07-27-2017, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season.

Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed.

The Dude · 07-27-2017, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed.

Yep. Not it's so much about Unger but about the younger guys training with him for cohesiveness.

The Dude · 08-16-2017, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed.

And the other guys need snaps WITH him in there.

WillSaints81 · 07-27-2017, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Two false assumptions here:

1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season.

2. Low scoring starts. There is no evidence between O-Line changes and low scoring on the offense.

Given that both of the presumptions are false, there is really nothing to discuss.

SFIAH

WRONG. If Unger was out the first few weeks we would have a hard time scoring against the defenses we face the first three weeks. Oline protection does matter, especially the center. Did you see 2014?

And it is not conclusive Unger will be back week 1. What I don't get is why are we signing these FAs if there is not a issue here?

dizzle88 · 07-27-2017, 07:13 PM

Doom and freaking gloom all the time!!

The season hasn't even started yet and you're already laying down.

Remember when Kelvin Benjamin went down and the Panthers looked lost, then they went 15-1 and made the super bowl.

WillSaints81 · 07-27-2017, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Doom and freaking gloom all the time!!

The season hasn't even started yet and you're already laying down.

Remember when Kelvin Benjamin went down and the Panthers looked lost, then they went 15-1 and made the super bowl.

Who says doom and gloom? I just asked a question assuming the OL was gonna start the season with two non-starters. And you are comparing a receiver to a olineman. And Carolina had one heck of a easy schedule that year.

dizzle88 · 07-28-2017, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Who says doom and gloom? I just asked a question assuming the OL was gonna start the season with two non-starters. And you are comparing a receiver to a olineman. And Carolina had one heck of a easy schedule that year.

No, you guaranteed we are going to have low scoring totals in the first few weeks.

It doesn't matter if they are two seperate positions, you can have the best O lineman in the league but if no one gets open you will faulter. They can't block forever.

07-27-2017, 12:57 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	What are we relying on the first few weeks? Our oline is not going to be completely healthy. Not talking about TA here but Unger. So will we be relying on defense to not fatigue for these low scoring starts on offense? The Dude likes this.

07-27-2017, 01:11 PM	#2
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Unger will be healthy in about a month. Pointless topic. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

07-27-2017, 01:16 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Our oline is not going to be completely healthy. Not talking about TA here but Unger. So will we be relying on defense to not fatigue for these low scoring starts on offense? Two false assumptions here: 1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season. 2. Low scoring starts. There is no evidence between O-Line changes and low scoring on the offense. Given that both of the presumptions are false, there is really nothing to discuss. SFIAH

07-27-2017, 06:35 PM	#4
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL 1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season. Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by Crusader Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed. Yep. Not it's so much about Unger but about the younger guys training with him for cohesiveness.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by Crusader Sorry but you are wrong here. I'm talking from a experience from my own playing career stretching more than 15 years. Unger is a veteran so he needs LESS snaps than a rookie or younger player but he needs them. You need snaps to get ready and just get the small details down with the guys next to you and to really get up to speed. And the other guys need snaps WITH him in there.
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07-27-2017, 09:54 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Two false assumptions here: 1. Unger won't be back. All reports have him available for the first game of the season. Unger is a veteran. He really doesn't need training camp and preseason games to be ready for the season. 2. Low scoring starts. There is no evidence between O-Line changes and low scoring on the offense. Given that both of the presumptions are false, there is really nothing to discuss. SFIAH WRONG. If Unger was out the first few weeks we would have a hard time scoring against the defenses we face the first three weeks. Oline protection does matter, especially the center. Did you see 2014? And it is not conclusive Unger will be back week 1. What I don't get is why are we signing these FAs if there is not a issue here?

07-27-2017, 07:13 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Doom and freaking gloom all the time!! The season hasn't even started yet and you're already laying down. Remember when Kelvin Benjamin went down and the Panthers looked lost, then they went 15-1 and made the super bowl.

07-27-2017, 09:57 PM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,276	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Doom and freaking gloom all the time!! The season hasn't even started yet and you're already laying down. Remember when Kelvin Benjamin went down and the Panthers looked lost, then they went 15-1 and made the super bowl. Who says doom and gloom? I just asked a question assuming the OL was gonna start the season with two non-starters. And you are comparing a receiver to a olineman. And Carolina had one heck of a easy schedule that year.

07-28-2017, 01:14 AM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: What are we relying on the first few weeks? Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Who says doom and gloom? I just asked a question assuming the OL was gonna start the season with two non-starters. And you are comparing a receiver to a olineman. And Carolina had one heck of a easy schedule that year. No, you guaranteed we are going to have low scoring totals in the first few weeks. It doesn't matter if they are two seperate positions, you can have the best O lineman in the league but if no one gets open you will faulter. They can't block forever.

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