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ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 08:43 AM

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The Saints have fired team orthopedists Deryk Jones and Misty Suri, per source, after it was discovered that CB Delvin Breaux has a fractured fibula and will require surgery expected to sidelined him for 4-6 weeks. Breaux was originally diagnosed wit

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The Saints have fired team orthopedists Deryk Jones and Misty Suri, per source, after it was discovered that CB Delvin Breaux has a fractured fibula and will require surgery expected to sidelined him for 4-6 weeks. Breaux was originally diagnosed with a contusion – and the team was frustrated that he wasn't recovering more quickly until the missed diagnosis was revealed. It was accurately reported that the team has had an issue with Breaux's string of nagging injuries in the past, but this case is different. And it seems unlikely at this point that the team will be as eager to trade or release Breaux.

Boy if we haven't been calling for this sort of thing for years. Maybe this Breaux debacle is over and he won't be going anywhere after all.

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ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 08:54 AM

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K Major 08-16-2017 08:56 AM

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I'm glad that move was made. Missed diagnosis from team physicians .. unacceptable. Everyone should be held accountable ...even Doctors.

Danno 08-16-2017 08:57 AM

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C'mon, you knew it was coming.

Crusader 08-16-2017 09:01 AM

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Sounds like this was a move long overdue.

Getting the initial diagnosis right is so important to get the proper rehab etc. asap.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 09:09 AM

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God, how many careers have they cut short? How many times over the years have we dealt with mysterious lingering injuries?

jrab01 08-16-2017 09:10 AM

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Personally, I'm not surprised.

A few years back, I was injured and needed to have a third surgery on my right knee. The doctor that completed my first two surgeries suggested I consult with Deryk Jones. As soon as I met him, I felt like I was visiting with the Morris Bart of Orthopedic Surgeons.

His diagnosis and recommendation was so vastly different (and WRONG) than what I had already discussed I RAN out of his office.

Ultimately I saw a third doctor, who couldn't believe what Dr. Jones had indicated was the problem. Everything's been fine ever since. Glad I didn't trust DJ.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jrab01 (Post 759213)
Personally, I'm not surprised.

A few years back, I was injured and needed to have a third surgery on my right knee. The doctor that completed my first two surgeries suggested I consult with Deryk Jones. As soon as I met him, I felt like I was visiting with the Morris Bart of Orthopedic Surgeons.

His diagnosis and recommendation was so vastly different (and WRONG) than what I had already discussed I RAN out of his office.

Ultimately I saw a third doctor, who couldn't believe what Dr. Jones had indicated was the problem. Everything's been fine ever since. Glad I didn't trust DJ.

Welcome to the board and thanks for the great insight!

jnormand 08-16-2017 09:15 AM

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What a mess. Glad it's done but wtf took so long? Now get someone dependable for crying out loud.

spkb25 08-16-2017 09:19 AM

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A lot of us have been discussing some real issues with these people or perceived. Guess we weren't far off

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 09:28 AM

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They had this dude walking around with a fractured fibula telling him "It's just a bruise, man up!"

73Saint 08-16-2017 09:33 AM

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Well, well, well. Whaddya know. Team doctors mis-diagnosed an injury. Seems to me lots of folks here have been scratching their heads in regards to our medical staff.

WillMacKenzie 08-16-2017 09:57 AM

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One call, that's all!

Initial Dx wrong b/c of suboptimal image quality(swelling), but due to FO pressure, had to Dx SOMETHING, later imaging reveals fracture, team has to fire ortho to save face because they had already run with it.

Sounds about right. Move long overdue anyway though.

Lord_Saint83 08-16-2017 10:12 AM

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Those doctors must of took a page from james woods character on any given sunday or are the most incompetent doctors in sports. I can see former saints players suing the team if they were diagnosed by those clowns if they couldn't play anymore from a misdiagnosed injury that got worse.

neugey 08-16-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jrab01 (Post 759213)
Personally, I'm not surprised.

A few years back, I was injured and needed to have a third surgery on my right knee. The doctor that completed my first two surgeries suggested I consult with Deryk Jones. As soon as I met him, I felt like I was visiting with the Morris Bart of Orthopedic Surgeons.

His diagnosis and recommendation was so vastly different (and WRONG) than what I had already discussed I RAN out of his office.

Ultimately I saw a third doctor, who couldn't believe what Dr. Jones had indicated was the problem. Everything's been fine ever since. Glad I didn't trust DJ.

That is one hell of a first post! Been lurking?

vpheughan 08-16-2017 10:27 AM

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After taking a bullet in the labrum over Macho Grande I was diagnosed with a mosquito bite. I said "Doctor, surely it has to me something else." He replied "Mosquito bite and don't call me Shirley!"

neugey 08-16-2017 10:32 AM

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If these doctors have been screwing the team for a while, I hope some of the players and the Saints can get a settlement. And hopefully the new team doctors know their stuff.

saintshrimp 08-16-2017 10:39 AM

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Just another example of the ineptitude of this regime since winning the sb. Nobody wants to hear it bur its time for a change at the top running out of people to blame.

RailBoss 08-16-2017 10:41 AM

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Can they add Dan Dalrymple to the Pink Slip List..........

AsylumGuido 08-16-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 759224)
One call, that's all!

Initial Dx wrong b/c of suboptimal image quality(swelling), but due to FO pressure, had to Dx SOMETHING, later imaging reveals fracture, team has to fire ortho to save face because they had already run with it.

Sounds about right. Move long overdue anyway though.

I can see this scenario. What I read on stress fractures versus bone contusions mentioned the difficulty in an appropriate diagnosis until the enema has subsided. Although, you would expect the doctors to error on the conservative side and treat it as a fracture until they could tell for sure. I could see them being pressured into a premature decision. But, that is on them for giving in if it was the case.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 11:01 AM

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saintsfan1976 08-16-2017 11:04 AM

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About. Damn. Time.

SmashMouth 08-16-2017 11:16 AM

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Even Keenan Lewis came out and said our medical staff was terrible. Said they couldn't figure out why his knee kept getting inflamed over and over again and when he was released he went to steelers for a try out and they found he still had staples underneath. Sounded far fetch but in Breauxs case..how the hell do you misjudge a fractured fibula as a bruise.

SmashMouth 08-16-2017 11:18 AM

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Fire them all?

Here is the full staff:

Athletic Training/Medical Staff
Scottie Patton Head Athletic Trainer
Beau Lowery Director of Rehabilitation
Kevin Mangum Assistant Athletic Trainer
Ben Stollberg Assistant Athletic Trainer
Adam Quigley Athletic Training Intern
Jamie Meeks Director of Sports Nutrition
Dr. John Amoss Team Physician
Dr. Deryk Jones Team Orthopedist
Dr. Misty Suri Team Orthopedist

K Major 08-16-2017 11:18 AM

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If these doctors have been screwing the team for a while, I hope some of the players and the Saints can get a settlement. And hopefully the new team doctors know their stuff.

What is also sad are these "mis diagnosis" may have been carrying over to some of the Pelican players as well. Q Pondexter, Jrue Holiday, Eric Gordon etc., etc. I'm just glad this move (firing) was made.

Best wishes and healthy recovery Breaux. Hopefully we get him back sooner than later.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 11:21 AM

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Even Keenan Lewis came out and said our medical staff was terrible. Said they couldn't figure out why his knee kept getting inflamed over and over again and when he was released he went to steelers for a try out and they found he still had staples underneath. Sounded far fetch but in Breauxs case..how the hell do you misjudge a fractured fibula as a bruise.

Keenan has certainly made an ass of himself recently with his outbursts, but his career was practically ruined by these people. Here's a response from him today...


jrab01 08-16-2017 11:46 AM

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I was waiting to post something with substance!

I noticed after the fact that my account was 4 years old with no posts.

WillMacKenzie 08-16-2017 11:53 AM

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I can see this scenario. What I read on stress fractures versus bone contusions mentioned the difficulty in an appropriate diagnosis until the enema has subsided. Although, you would expect the doctors to error on the conservative side and treated it as a fracture until they could tell for sure. I could see them being pressured into a premature decision. But, that is on them for giving in if it was the case.

Yeah I kinda said it tongue and cheek, playing devil's advocate, but I've seen real scenerios like it before. It's unfortunate all three ways, Ochsner, Delvin, and the Saints.

I know there's pressure but you have to do the right thing -- but then Payton's also under pressure to win, and the injury thing is really bugging him.

So, really it's hard to point at one party saying, "everything's egregious!" when we can't possibly know all sides of the story.

The Dude 08-16-2017 12:05 PM

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Sounds like this was a move long overdue.

Getting the initial diagnosis right is so important to get the proper rehab etc. asap.

So it's not his vagina after all?

jeanpierre 08-16-2017 12:13 PM

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This goes to what I was talking about in the Cardiovascular case for Fairley...

Eric Asher has been beating the desk with criticism about Ochsner Sports and their "partnership" with the Saints since the offseason...

Was he given a proper physical prior to signing that long-term contract?!?

The problem is Ochsner Sports Health and the Saints need to terminate their relationship and seek competent medical advice...

The Dude 08-16-2017 12:13 PM

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What I have learned is most people give doctors waaay more credit than they deserve and take their word as gospel. 8 times out of 10 I will listen to what the nurses and nurse practitioners before the doctor.

ChrisXVI 08-16-2017 12:23 PM

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Rugby Saint II 08-16-2017 12:31 PM

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I sold X-ray equipment and it is difficult to scan through a tremendous amount of swelling and get an accurate reading on film. Many times I've seen a better reading once the swelling goes down and the radiation doesn't get diminished on the way to the bone.

Still, it was past time for these guys to go. These misdiagnosis have been ridiculously incorrect and it has to stop. We lose at least one player a year to poor evaluation.

spkb25 08-16-2017 12:41 PM

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So it's not his vagina after all?

woa woa woa, let's not jump to conclusions just yet. I am holding off on any retractions until more comes out

LMAO

AsylumGuido 08-16-2017 01:00 PM

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I sold X-ray equipment and it is difficult to scan through a tremendous amount of swelling and get an accurate reading on film. Many times I've seen a better reading once the swelling goes down and the radiation doesn't get diminished on the way to the bone.

Still, it was past time for these guys to go. These misdiagnosis have been ridiculously incorrect and it has to stop. We lose at least one player a year to poor evaluation.

That's the point I was making. It is difficult, if not impossible, to tell the difference between a bone contusion and a stress fracture until the enema (swelling) has subsided. A misdiagnosis is very possible if forced to make a call before enough time has elapsed, but if unsure they should have made the call to treat it as a fracture until they could know for sure.

jeanpierre 08-16-2017 01:32 PM

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What I have learned is most people give doctors waaay more credit than they deserve and take their word as gospel. 8 times out of 10 I will listen to what the nurses and nurse practitioners before the doctor.

Having worked in a hospital for four years and an HMO for over five, I know the rodeo...

Learned two things during those years:

First, Nurses know who the good Docs are and the ones to avoid...

Second, Nurses know how to ****...

K Major 08-16-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 759243)
What I have learned is most people give doctors waaay more credit than they deserve and take their word as gospel. 8 times out of 10 I will listen to what the nurses and nurse practitioners before the doctor.

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AsylumGuido 08-16-2017 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 759254)
Having worked in a hospital for four years and an HMO for over five, I know the rodeo...

Learned two things during those years:

First, Nurses know who the good Docs are and the ones to avoid...

Second, Nurses know how to ****...

Having worked at a health insurance company for 17.5 years and having a wife who is an RN that has worked both in hospital risk management and as a malpractice claims adjuster for the last 30+ years, I can attest that more than just the nurses know the good ones from the bad ones. It is just that the information isn't readily available to your average patient.

K Major 08-16-2017 03:00 PM

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Bring back Dr. Tim Finney (pre Oschner). Well respected team Physician.

K Major 08-16-2017 03:13 PM

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That's the point I was making. It is difficult, if not impossible, to tell the difference between a bone contusion and a stress fracture until the enema (swelling) has subsided. A misdiagnosis is very possible if forced to make a call before enough time has elapsed, but if unsure they should have made the call to treat it as a fracture until they could know for sure.

This is stemming from years of poor evaluations from the Saints medical team, not just the recent blunder as it relates to Breaux.


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