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SmashMouth 08-20-2017 10:35 PM

How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/asse...texans_826.jpg

Michael Nolan has helped us bring in Anzalone, AJ Klein, Teo without his girlfriend, and coached up the other LBers.

AsylumGuido 08-20-2017 10:39 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Drop the Te'o girlfriend stuff. He a Saint now. Move on with it, please.

jeanpierre 08-20-2017 10:46 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I remember when we started discussing Joe Vitt had to geaux...

saintfan 08-20-2017 10:48 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
We looked like a real defense tonight!


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burningmetal 08-20-2017 11:01 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I've held the opinion all off-season that our two best acquisitions were Mike Nolan and Curtis Johnson. Both have strong reputations coaching their position groups, and frankly, just having ANYONE other than Vitt coaching the linebackers would have been reason for at least some optimism. The guy just didn't develop players.

It looks like Nolan is getting the linebackers to be more aggressive, and they look like they actually know what to do, instead of looking like paper bags floating in the wind.

As for Curtis Johnson, you can see the effect he's already had on Tommylee Lewis. He made exciting plays in the preseason last year, but clearly lacked polish in the receiving game. I wasn't sure at all he'd make the team this year. After what I've seen early on this year, he looks FAR more polished and confident. The athleticism was always there. He could be a real weapon this year.

Barry from MS 08-20-2017 11:04 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Fast. I saw speed at LB tonight...first time in 13 forevers.

Oh, and you could tell the LB's are much better coached at the position. The LB's will end up being the strength of the defense. I saw them as beasts in the coverage teams, too.

SmashMouth 08-20-2017 11:07 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
In the 2016 preseason the Saints defense gave up 100 points, or 25 points a game.

In the 2015 preseason the Saints defense gave up 131 points, or 30.3 points a game.

Halfway through the 2017 preseason our defense has given up 10 points per game.



Championship? :bng:

neugey 08-20-2017 11:08 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
The LB play looks pretty encouraging. Will be interesting to see the final pecking order.

burningmetal 08-20-2017 11:09 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 760054)
In the 2016 preseason the Saints defense gave up 100 points, or 25 points a game.

In the 2015 preseason the Saints defense gave up 131 points, or 30.3 points a game.

Halfway through the 2017 preseason our defense has given up 10 points per game.



Championship? :bng:

Yep, preseason is annoying and largely meaningless, but when something stands out, especially contrasted with those recent preseason numbers, it is reason for optimism.

nola_swammi 08-21-2017 01:27 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Vitt who?

Crusader 08-21-2017 02:36 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Must. Not. Get. Excited....

CheramieIII 08-21-2017 05:20 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 760039)
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/asse...texans_826.jpg

Michael Nolan has helped us bring in Anzalone, AJ Klein, Teo without his girlfriend, and coached up the other LBers.

Yo Smash what you talkin bout. Manti always has his girlfriend with him in his own mind!

CheramieIII 08-21-2017 05:22 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 760041)
Drop the Te'o girlfriend stuff. He a Saint now. Move on with it, please.

Look until Manti admits she was a fantasy I ain't getting off poop. I know he's a Saint and pretty good at that but he needs to be reminded reality is a lot better than fantasy.

halloween 65 08-21-2017 06:13 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I miss Vitt about as much as getting kicked in the groin.

Seer1 08-21-2017 06:35 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 760045)
I remember when we started discussing Joe Vitt had to geaux...

Hahaha! You're not that old.

The title to this thread got me laughing as soon as I saw it! Thanks for brightening the morning!

Seer1 08-21-2017 06:37 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 760082)
Look until Manti admits she was a fantasy I ain't getting off poop. I know he's a Saint and pretty good at that but he needs to be reminded reality is a lot better than fantasy.

Catfishing is a little different than fantasy although they both have a lot to do with wishful thinking. Granted, he should have been a little wiser about the whole internet romance thing. I run into youngsters all the time who get sucked in by this.

AsylumGuido 08-21-2017 07:34 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 760082)
Look until Manti admits she was a fantasy I ain't getting off poop. I know he's a Saint and pretty good at that but he needs to be reminded reality is a lot better than fantasy.

Try doing a little research on the subject. The guy was catfished. You do know what that means, right?

:rolleyes:

spkb25 08-21-2017 07:37 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 760039)
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/asse...texans_826.jpg

Michael Nolan has helped us bring in Anzalone, AJ Klein, Teo without his girlfriend, and coached up the other LBers.

By Teo's play last night I think his girlfriend is back on death's door

spkb25 08-21-2017 07:39 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 760082)
Look until Manti admits she was a fantasy I ain't getting off poop. I know he's a Saint and pretty good at that but he needs to be reminded reality is a lot better than fantasy.

Dude be who you are, say what you want, and if other people don't like they don't have to read it. They're not policing this page.

Those jokes are still funny and should last a lifetime.

Other people and their negative *****ing never ends

AsylumGuido 08-21-2017 07:41 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 760098)
Dude be who you are, say what you want, and if other people don't like they don't have to read it. They're not policing this page.

Those jokes are still funny and should last a lifetime.

Other people and their negative *****ing never ends

Making fun of people is such a positive personality trait.

:rolleyes:

MatthewT 08-21-2017 07:52 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I am not convinced Joe Vitt always had a lot to work with, but I do believe Nolan is an upgrade. The bad free agents signings and draft picks cannot really be pinned all on Vitt.

spkb25 08-21-2017 07:53 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 760082)
Look until Manti admits she was a fantasy I ain't getting off poop. I know he's a Saint and pretty good at that but he needs to be reminded reality is a lot better than fantasy.

There is no one we rib more than people we love. Do it with our families, our good friends, and when I was in the military it was another way of building camaraderie.

Keep it up brother, it shows our appreciation for his play and place with our team. Thanks for the laugh this morning!! Keeps the board the way it should be, fun!

spkb25 08-21-2017 07:54 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 760072)
Must. Not. Get. Excited....

everything has to be tempered...wait and see, but definitely encouraging. The whole D looks better, but wait and see, agree!

AsylumGuido 08-21-2017 08:02 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 760101)
There is no one we rib more than people we love. Do it with our families, our good friends, and when I was in the military it was another way of building camaraderie.

Keep it up brother, it shows our appreciation for his play and place with our team. Thanks for the laugh this morning!! Keeps the board the way it should be, fun!

Oh, and I'm sure his teammates are ribbing him about it, right? You know, camaraderie and all?

:rolleyes:

Ribbing is something done to a person's face. Ridicule is something a coward does behind a person's back. Always classy.

The Dude 08-21-2017 11:23 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I thought Teo would be a great player in this league when he came in and I think a change of scenery and coaching is what he needs to take it to the next level.
I did however question his intelligence after the cat fishing ordeal. This is a kid who grew up in the era of the internet. We all remember what it was like before internet and had no idea what it would develop into. He had his entire life to learn how to function in a society driven by the web. I've done plenty of internet dating and so have a lot of people I know. You can see cat fishing coming a mile away.
He's not some lonely middle school introvert emo who only lives in internet world.
I'm guessing he went into it blindly accepting anything he was told and read and was so busy thinking "positively" about his situation that he forgot to cover his ass. It's a naive way of going about life and could wind up getting one hurt or greatly taken advantage of.
He's older now and I'm sure wiser. He also seems to be a hell of a football player and the better he gets at it the more the players are going to rip him for it. It will be out of respect because they know he's a man and can take it.
little people who can't take a good ripping and resort to bullying others who they disagree with are children. Men give as good as they get and leave people they don't agree with alone.

spkb25 08-21-2017 11:37 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 760151)
I thought Teo would be a great player in this league when he came in and I think a change of scenery and coaching is what he needs to take it to the next level.
I did however question his intelligence after the cat fishing ordeal. This is a kid who grew up in the era of the internet. We all remember what it was like before internet and had no idea what it would develop into. He had his entire life to learn how to function in a society driven by the web. I've done plenty of internet dating and so have a lot of people I know. You can see cat fishing coming a mile away.
He's not some lonely middle school introvert emo who only lives in internet world.
I'm guessing he went into it blindly accepting anything he was told and read and was so busy thinking "positively" about his situation that he forgot to cover his ass. It's a naive way of going about life and could wind up getting one hurt or greatly taken advantage of.
He's older now and I'm sure wiser. He also seems to be a hell of a football player and the better he gets at it the more the players are going to rip him for it. It will be out of respect because they know he's a man and can take it.
little people who can't take a good ripping and resort to bullying others who they disagree with are children. Men give as good as they get and leave people they don't agree with alone.

that's definitely how men are. and the thing is when you're saying it with a compliment on how well they played it is clearly meant for those purposes.i dont think anyone on here has done anything but spoke positively about his play so definitely these are fun upbeat posts. I am thankful to come here and have people like cherm and some others that make me laugh while we all support our team.

The Dude 08-21-2017 11:44 AM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
And obviously the poster who was so quick to say "you don't know what catfishing is" hasn't the slightest clue about how catfishing works otherwise he wouldn't so easily be drawn into an internet fight that gets his panties in wad on a message board. God help him if a woman comes in here and starts showing interest in the crap he spews

Rugby Saint II 08-21-2017 12:29 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Not at all......thanks for asking. :p

Thirty3 08-21-2017 01:50 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
I want to see a lot of 3/4

dam1953 08-21-2017 02:23 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
About as much as that root canal I had when the anesthetic didn't take effect.

AsylumGuido 08-21-2017 02:57 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 760151)
I thought Teo would be a great player in this league when he came in and I think a change of scenery and coaching is what he needs to take it to the next level.
I did however question his intelligence after the cat fishing ordeal. This is a kid who grew up in the era of the internet. We all remember what it was like before internet and had no idea what it would develop into. He had his entire life to learn how to function in a society driven by the web. I've done plenty of internet dating and so have a lot of people I know. You can see cat fishing coming a mile away.
He's not some lonely middle school introvert emo who only lives in internet world.
I'm guessing he went into it blindly accepting anything he was told and read and was so busy thinking "positively" about his situation that he forgot to cover his ass. It's a naive way of going about life and could wind up getting one hurt or greatly taken advantage of.
He's older now and I'm sure wiser. He also seems to be a hell of a football player and the better he gets at it the more the players are going to rip him for it. It will be out of respect because they know he's a man and can take it.
little people who can't take a good ripping and resort to bullying others who they disagree with are children. Men give as good as they get and leave people they don't agree with alone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 760155)
that's definitely how men are. and the thing is when you're saying it with a compliment on how well they played it is clearly meant for those purposes.i dont think anyone on here has done anything but spoke positively about his play so definitely these are fun upbeat posts. I am thankful to come here and have people like cherm and some others that make me laugh while we all support our team.

:rofl::roflmao:

skymike 08-21-2017 03:13 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
And now. Its time for My Opinions, with your host, Me.
1. America should officially de-recognize all races. Effectively tomorrow, all complaints regarding what color people are will be ignored. Everyone will be treated like everyone else, accordingly to how they act.
2. If you dont like statues, dont look at them. I dont like seeing your underwear.
3. Somewhere, someone is going to have vision loss due to the dumb Eclipse, which I have no interest, and they will blame someone one else for not properly informing them not to look at the Sun.
4. This is completely wrong:
Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 760056)
Yep, preseason is annoying and largely meaningless.

baloney. I'll never understand how anyone can not like preseason. Lives are changed by Preseason. Its new, exciting talent, or new-to-us talent, in live game situations, and every year players are chosen or cut by their preseason performance. Remember a camp body named Pierre Thomas? It is huge pressure, if you know what you're looking at. The ultimate sports reality show, and its FOOTBALL. You do like football, right?
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 760094)
The guy was catfished. You do know what that means, right?:rolleyes:

no clue. I dont speak all this new hip hop urban lingo. btw, Guido, you really should change your avatar to Walter Mathau.
5. I dont know the Manti GF story details, but I suspect its like the Rod Stewart sausage party story-- an tired urban legend, which just wont go away, due to the ease of its punchlines. This is America. Go on & Make jokes & look at eclipses; and run around with your drawers showing. Not hurting me none.
6. I know the Chargers are weak. They cant get up, because they play in a corporately named minor league soccer field. And soon, they'll play in a Disney-fied HomoDome. The Chargers will not win, until they move somewhere cold. BUT this is two weeks in a row, the Browns 1st 2 and Chargers 1st 3- were 3 and outs. The worst this can be is baby steps.... Last 3 years, even bad offenses torched us. Personally, I got a big Schwingy watching this game.
7. Kamara ! WOW !
8. Manti v. Chargers WOW! And AK, and Michael Thomas.
9. I, for now, am not longer feeling like our OL is going to get Drew beheaded.
10. Im not a fan of making one guy your goat, but Grumpy Old Guido called it, a while back. The coaching staff changes are outstanding, and will make a difference. Nolan has this bunch looking really tight.

Is everyone properly offended, yet? I can send you the # to my Concern Line. :broccoli:

11. WhoDat baby !!!!! To all my WhoDat Nation brothers & sisters everywhere. The only color that really matters to me, is our jersey.


Cant wait for the Texans game.

AsylumGuido 08-21-2017 04:11 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 760184)
And now. Its time for My Opinions, with your host, Me.
1. America should officially de-recognize all races. Effectively tomorrow, all complaints regarding what color people are will be ignored. Everyone will be treated like everyone else, accordingly to how they act.
2. If you dont like statues, dont look at them. I dont like seeing your underwear.
3. Somewhere, someone is going to have vision loss due to the dumb Eclipse, which I have no interest, and they will blame someone one else for not properly informing them not to look at the Sun.
4. This is completely wrong: baloney. I'll never understand how anyone can not like preseason. Lives are changed by Preseason. Its new, exciting talent, or new-to-us talent, in live game situations, and every year players are chosen or cut by their preseason performance. Remember a camp body named Pierre Thomas? It is huge pressure, if you know what you're looking at. The ultimate sports reality show, and its FOOTBALL. You do like football, right?
no clue. I dont speak all this new hip hop urban lingo. btw, Guido, you really should change your avatar to Walter Mathau.
5. I dont know the Manti GF story details, but I suspect its like the Rod Stewart sausage party story-- an tired urban legend, which just wont go away, due to the ease of its punchlines. This is America. Go on & Make jokes & look at eclipses; and run around with your drawers showing. Not hurting me none.
6. I know the Chargers are weak. They cant get up, because they play in a corporately named minor league soccer field. And soon, they'll play in a Disney-fied HomoDome. The Chargers will not win, until they move somewhere cold. BUT this is two weeks in a row, the Browns 1st 2 and Chargers 1st 3- were 3 and outs. The worst this can be is baby steps.... Last 3 years, even bad offenses torched us. Personally, I got a big Schwingy watching this game.
7. Kamara ! WOW !
8. Manti v. Chargers WOW! And AK, and Michael Thomas.
9. I, for now, am not longer feeling like our OL is going to get Drew beheaded.
10. Im not a fan of making one guy your goat, but Grumpy Old Guido called it, a while back. The coaching staff changes are outstanding, and will make a difference. Nolan has this bunch looking really tight.

Is everyone properly offended, yet? I can send you the # to my Concern Line. :broccoli:

11. WhoDat baby !!!!! To all my WhoDat Nation brothers & sisters everywhere. The only color that really matters to me, is our jersey.


Cant wait for the Texans game.

Drop the damned mic!

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spkb25 08-21-2017 04:14 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 760184)
And now. Its time for My Opinions, with your host, Me.

5. I dont know the Manti GF story details, but I suspect its like the Rod Stewart sausage party story-- an tired urban legend, which just wont go away, due to the ease of its punchlines. This is America. Go on & Make jokes & look at eclipses; and run around with your drawers showing. Not hurting me none.

Exactly. Not the job of anyone on this board to go around telling other people how to act here, except Halo, and I have been here for 13 years because people are able to express their opinion about the saints and laugh while doing it. I have never been to any other Saints board, but from what I hear the constant complaining about people's posts and jokes about players or the team is a constant somewhere else. Don't think we need that here.

Which reminds me I need to shoot Halo a donation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 760184)
11. WhoDat baby !!!!! To all my WhoDat Nation brothers & sisters everywhere. The only color that really matters to me, is our jersey.


Cant wait for the Texans game.

Exactly!!

I will send you a link offline lol

burningmetal 08-21-2017 06:57 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 760184)
And now. Its time for My Opinions, with your host, Me.
1. America should officially de-recognize all races. Effectively tomorrow, all complaints regarding what color people are will be ignored. Everyone will be treated like everyone else, accordingly to how they act.
2. If you dont like statues, dont look at them. I dont like seeing your underwear.
3. Somewhere, someone is going to have vision loss due to the dumb Eclipse, which I have no interest, and they will blame someone one else for not properly informing them not to look at the Sun.
4. This is completely wrong: baloney. I'll never understand how anyone can not like preseason. Lives are changed by Preseason. Its new, exciting talent, or new-to-us talent, in live game situations, and every year players are chosen or cut by their preseason performance. Remember a camp body named Pierre Thomas? It is huge pressure, if you know what you're looking at. The ultimate sports reality show, and its FOOTBALL. You do like football, right?
no clue. I dont speak all this new hip hop urban lingo. btw, Guido, you really should change your avatar to Walter Mathau.
5. I dont know the Manti GF story details, but I suspect its like the Rod Stewart sausage party story-- an tired urban legend, which just wont go away, due to the ease of its punchlines. This is America. Go on & Make jokes & look at eclipses; and run around with your drawers showing. Not hurting me none.
6. I know the Chargers are weak. They cant get up, because they play in a corporately named minor league soccer field. And soon, they'll play in a Disney-fied HomoDome. The Chargers will not win, until they move somewhere cold. BUT this is two weeks in a row, the Browns 1st 2 and Chargers 1st 3- were 3 and outs. The worst this can be is baby steps.... Last 3 years, even bad offenses torched us. Personally, I got a big Schwingy watching this game.
7. Kamara ! WOW !
8. Manti v. Chargers WOW! And AK, and Michael Thomas.
9. I, for now, am not longer feeling like our OL is going to get Drew beheaded.
10. Im not a fan of making one guy your goat, but Grumpy Old Guido called it, a while back. The coaching staff changes are outstanding, and will make a difference. Nolan has this bunch looking really tight.

Is everyone properly offended, yet? I can send you the # to my Concern Line. :broccoli:

11. WhoDat baby !!!!! To all my WhoDat Nation brothers & sisters everywhere. The only color that really matters to me, is our jersey.


Cant wait for the Texans game.

Uhhh, Mike... You might want to go back and read the rest of what I said, my friend. You missed pretty much the whole context of what I said. The games mean nothing, because the outcome is meaningless. Without Preseason games, these guys would simply have more scrimmages, and be judged just the same as they are now. That's how it works in high school and college. Preseason is about money for owners.

But I have always said, and will always say that as long as we ARE playing these games, what the individual players do, matters. Not as much as in the regular season, because of competition factors, but we can at least form some general opinions on players when they really stand out, good or bad. I just posted something to this effect in another thread.

hagan714 08-21-2017 07:39 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
who is getting the coffee and doughnuts and picking up the laundry now?

The coaches must be missing his services big time

Seer1 08-21-2017 08:27 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 760254)
who is getting the coffee and doughnuts and picking up the laundry now?

The pharmacists must be missing his services big time

FIFY

WillMacKenzie 08-21-2017 08:30 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Injuries are down cause the medicine cabinet isn't empty

skymike 08-22-2017 12:39 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 760242)
Preseason is about money for owners.

Football is about money for owners. At least to the owners.
I see what you mean now. But I LOVE preaseason. Its like being a kid on
december 23rd. You do know there used to be SIX preseason games?

I've suggested this before, but here's my idea about preseason, and its brilliant.

Play the preseason games in secondary cities, like we did in Shreveport and Jackson. The season tix holders dont have to pay for preseason games. I went to the last Shreveport game, it they treated it like a Super Bowl there, with a complete carnival all around it, and tons of hype.
It was crazy and fun, and brought a lot of $$$ into town. It wasnt meaningless to those people. The Saints had come to their town. The team leaves with stronger fans, much like the old NFL barnstorming tours of the 30s.

You need preseason, and all the Pierre Thomas's of football, the undrafted guys, the rehab guys, the waiver wire, practice squad guys-- would all tell you THEY need it. And the brilliant coaches who pick Marques Colston in the 7th round will too. And a whole lot of secondary cities, like San Antonio, Milwaukee, Jackson, etc. would jump at the chance to host an NFL preseason game. The teams grow a deeper bond w/ their distant fans. everybody wins.

K Major 08-22-2017 01:48 PM

Re: How Bad Do You Miss Joe Vitt?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skymike (Post 760336)

Play the preseason games in secondary cities, like we did in Shreveport and Jackson. The season tix holders dont have to pay for preseason games. I went to the last Shreveport game, it they treated it like a Super Bowl there, with a complete carnival all around it, and tons of hype.
It was crazy and fun, and brought a lot of $$$ into town. It wasnt meaningless to those people. The Saints had come to their town. The team leaves with stronger fans, much like the old NFL barnstorming tours of the 30s.

I'd love that. Only a 2.5 hour drive from Dallas.


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