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burningmetal 08-25-2017 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 760726)
Whatever, dude.

I replied to Beastmode's comment about how good the teams were. If you want to read something else, be my guest.

I'm not reading anything into it other than what was said. Maybe you didn't have the direct intention of comparing the two, but you made the argument that those older Brooks teams were more talented by saying that Drew would have won SB's with them. I don't know how else you expect anyone to take that, other than the way I did. I've tried to illustrate to you that those older teams were not more talented.

My case went far beyond the quarterbacks themselves. Clearly we've missed some opportunities to win more than the one Super Bowl with Drew here. So I don't buy that he would have made us a dynasty back in the early 2000's. Some poor coaching/personnel decisions have cost us over the last few years. Hopefully that's trending in the right direction now. But I don't think the coaching was there for the Haslett teams to win any championships, along with being less talented than some of the teams we've had under Payton.

The Dude 08-25-2017 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 760664)
YOU made the comparison of Drew to Aaron, in a clear sign that the point some of us were discussing had completely escaped you. I simply made a case to counter your statement that Aaron was surrounded with more, and that Drew would have won "back to back to back" SB's.

Drew HAD a top ten defense in 2010, as I just pointed out. How'd that end? We had the 4th ranked defense is Rob Ryan's first year here. How'd that go? Nobody is saying Aaron was a better QB than Drew Brees. You're the only person I see in here who would even make that out to be part of the conversation. But your opinion that Aaron had more to work with doesn't hold much water, in MY opinion.

As for your offensive line comparison; what evidence do you have that Fontenot was better than Goodwin? Because you said so? At best they were about the same, but having watched both of them play, Goodwin appeared more athletic and able to cover more ground. But, I will just call that a wash. Naeole was good, not great. Evans and Nicks were THE two best guards in the entire league when they were here together. Wally Williams, with all due respect to him, just wasn't anywhere near their class.

At tackle, Drew had Jon Stinchcomb, who developed into a pro bowl right tackle, and while he wasn't as good as Turley, he was not a big drop off during his prime years. The only obvious drop off was at left tackle. Drew didn't have anyone like Willie Roaf, but when you look at the totality of what he had at O-line, I think it was easily as good, if not better, than that line of the early 2000's.

We know Drew makes some players look better than they are. But it's been proven if you build your team correctly, you don't HAVE to have an elite QB. So for all the defeatists who don't care about the backup QB, because they think no Drew is "give up" time, I would just like for them to think about these things before they poo poo on everyone who takes a legitimate interest in who our backup will be. Needless to say, we'd all much rather have Drew in the equation.

If Sean Payton would have been coaching back then the Saints would have more Super Bowls than they do now.
Also if Jake Delhomme was black and had Sean Payton's teams of late we would also Have more Super Bowls
If Drew was black and had this team with Ditka and the 80s Bears defense we would have some more Super Bowls.
Not sure how many we would have if Payton was Asian though.

The Dude 08-25-2017 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Supertek (Post 760653)
Really have an issue here. Boy I wish I could be a back up making that kind of money but realistically other than McCown we never have had a good back up QB and one day it is going to bite us in the ass. I say pick up one that is cut for sure. Others may exit stage right.

Except our back up QB that went to a division opponent and went to a Super Bowl. Delhomme should have been our starter way before Brooks mastered the backwards pass.

halloween 65 08-25-2017 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 760731)
Except our back up QB that went to a division opponent and went to a Super Bowl. Delhomme should have been our starter way before Brooks mastered the backwards pass.

Agreed. I also thought Blake was a consistant qb. Can't even imagine what Archie would have looked like with either of these lines.

Seer1 08-25-2017 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 760727)
I don't know about that. One dimensional or not, the Saints scored 36 points, and lost by 5.

If we'd have had a running attack, we wouldn't have even needed to be playing in that game...

spkb25 08-25-2017 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 760727)
I don't know about that. One dimensional or not, the Saints scored 36 points, and lost by 5.

It is a fair point, but after being up early 17-7 we started getting our butts kicked and scored a few td's late if I remember correctly. But your point is true that 36 should be enough to win. I just know that there is situational football and sometimes that is extremely important.

That said the d let you too many points and explosive plays. True

spkb25 08-25-2017 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 760693)
Exactly! That season was more frustrating to me than the past 7-9ers. We couldn't find a RB who would last a game much less the season. By the end I think we were putting in former players from old age homes around the country and when we ran out of those, they were putting in busts of players someone was hijacking from the hall of fame.

Very frustrating

spkb25 08-25-2017 08:04 AM

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Noticed a local big mouth missing from this thread...go figure.

halloween 65 08-25-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 760753)
Noticed a local big mouth missing from this thread...go figure.

3.......2..........1 I couldn't resist!!

spkb25 08-25-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 760756)
3.......2..........1 I couldn't resist!!

LMMFAO


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