ESPN Is Dumb

burningmetal · 08-31-2017, 06:47 PM

I'd like to say that Julio is getting old, but unfortunately nothing about his play is indicating that he is there, yet. WR's don't generally break down that fast.

jeanpierre · 08-31-2017, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'd like to say that Julio is getting old, but unfortunately nothing about his play is indicating that he is there, yet. WR's don't generally break down that fast.

Chad Johnson? Andre Johnson? Calvin Johnson?

Johnson jokes aside, they were done quick...

burningmetal · 09-01-2017, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Chad Johnson? Andre Johnson? Calvin Johnson?

Johnson jokes aside, they were done quick...

Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion.

Beastmode · 09-01-2017, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion.

He's closer to 29. He will start showing signs this year. Next year really start showing it. The body starts breaking down at 26. Gradual process but 29 very noticeable. What makes him great is the speed. Once that is gone lights out which will be next year but his numbers will fall this year. Good receiver but the party is over with. Should have an ok season though. He won't be WR1 next year I know that much.

burningmetal · 09-01-2017, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

He's closer to 29. He will start showing signs this year. Next year really start showing it. The body starts breaking down at 26. Gradual process but 29 very noticeable. What makes him great is the speed. Once that is gone lights out which will be next year but his numbers will fall this year. Good receiver but the party is over with. Should have an ok season though. He won't be WR1 next year I know that much.

Well if you wanna be technical about it, we start dying from the moment we are born. It really doesn't matter how old he is (he's basically 28 and a half) if the signs aren't there that he's slowing down. Yes, one day that will happen to him, but he has been extremely productive and not shown any signs of obvious physical breakdown. So, with that in mind, I don't expect to see anything different from him this year. A couple of years from now, maybe.

In other words, there won't be nearly enough of a difference (barring injury) for his age to be a worthy discussion in how the Falcons season will play out. Is he going to go from 1400 yards last year (in 14 games) to 900 yards this year? I just don't think it's relevant to talk about his age until his play diminishes.

jeanpierre · 09-04-2017, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion.

Rice, Brown, Moss, you're talking about three receivers in over thirty-five plus years...

And as awesome as Julio Jones can be, he's disappeared in games at times as well...

You mentioned injuries on some players and those injures shorten careers...

Besides the butt hurt of losing a Superbowl, and a six-figured diamond this off-season, Jones has been oft-injured in his career...

It's 50-50, at best, Jones plays past 30...

burningmetal · 09-04-2017, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rice, Brown, Moss, you're talking about three receivers in over thirty-five plus years...

And as awesome as Julio Jones can be, he's disappeared in games at times as well...

You mentioned injuries on some players and those injures shorten careers...

Besides the butt hurt of losing a Superbowl, and a six-figured diamond this off-season, Jones has been oft-injured in his career...

It's 50-50, at best, Jones plays past 30...

I mentioned 4, actually, and you mentioned 3... Did you want us both to sit here and name every single player that has played past 30, or fallen short? Because the players named don't represent the entire list, my friend.

You said that the injuries I mentioned shorten careers. Yeah. That was my point. When you are evaluating the longevity of players by position, major knee injuries aren't part of that process. Any player can have his career ended early with a bad enough injury. When you're talking about elite players, they are athletically gifted and tend to last longer than most, provided they don't have major injuries derailing them.

Julio hasn't had anything truly major, and has only had one season where he missed significant time, when he had some kind of foot fracture. Bones heal a lot better than tendons. The fact is that he's not showing any signs of slowing down. We all know that day will come, but some folks seem to think the end is imminent for him, and to me that's just the Falcon disdain talking.

Yes, he disappears sometimes. Who doesn't anymore? He shows up enough, to me, and that's a different discussion from whether or not someone is getting old.

Beastmode · 08-31-2017, 06:49 PM

He did lose expensive jewelry messing around with water front activities so the stupid part is confirmed.

rezburna · 08-31-2017, 06:49 PM

Julio Jones? Arguably the best WR in the league. He's got at least another 5 years of dominance in him.

WillMacKenzie · 08-31-2017, 06:54 PM

Julio Jones will be pretty useless when Matty Ice is eating turf, holla!

08-31-2017, 06:47 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN Is Dumb I'd like to say that Julio is getting old, but unfortunately nothing about his play is indicating that he is there, yet. WR's don't generally break down that fast.

08-31-2017, 10:25 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by burningmetal I'd like to say that Julio is getting old, but unfortunately nothing about his play is indicating that he is there, yet. WR's don't generally break down that fast. Chad Johnson? Andre Johnson? Calvin Johnson? Johnson jokes aside, they were done quick...

09-01-2017, 11:15 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by jeanpierre Chad Johnson? Andre Johnson? Calvin Johnson? Johnson jokes aside, they were done quick... Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion. K Major likes this.
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09-01-2017, 11:24 PM	#4
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by burningmetal Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion. He's closer to 29. He will start showing signs this year. Next year really start showing it. The body starts breaking down at 26. Gradual process but 29 very noticeable. What makes him great is the speed. Once that is gone lights out which will be next year but his numbers will fall this year. Good receiver but the party is over with. Should have an ok season though. He won't be WR1 next year I know that much.
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09-01-2017, 11:34 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by Beastmode He's closer to 29. He will start showing signs this year. Next year really start showing it. The body starts breaking down at 26. Gradual process but 29 very noticeable. What makes him great is the speed. Once that is gone lights out which will be next year but his numbers will fall this year. Good receiver but the party is over with. Should have an ok season though. He won't be WR1 next year I know that much. Well if you wanna be technical about it, we start dying from the moment we are born. It really doesn't matter how old he is (he's basically 28 and a half) if the signs aren't there that he's slowing down. Yes, one day that will happen to him, but he has been extremely productive and not shown any signs of obvious physical breakdown. So, with that in mind, I don't expect to see anything different from him this year. A couple of years from now, maybe. In other words, there won't be nearly enough of a difference (barring injury) for his age to be a worthy discussion in how the Falcons season will play out. Is he going to go from 1400 yards last year (in 14 games) to 900 yards this year? I just don't think it's relevant to talk about his age until his play diminishes. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-04-2017, 01:02 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by burningmetal Chad Johnson had knee injuries, Andre Johnson was about 31 before he slowed down, not 28. Calvin had some kind of injury that wouldn't go away, and apparently was sick of the Lions, so he just walked away. Jerry Rice and Tim Brown were productive into their late thirties, and even early 40's for Jerry. Steve Smith played forever, and as much as I didn't care for his attitude, he stayed quite productive. Randy Moss was dominant (whenever he wanted to be) for about 11 years. If receivers stay healthy, they don't get "old" at 28. RB's do. Now, everyone slows down around 30, but when you're talking about the elite receivers, they don't usually fall off a cliff at that age. Julio isn't showing any signs of slowing down, so to say he's going to suddenly get old this year is rather nonsensical, in my opinion. Rice, Brown, Moss, you're talking about three receivers in over thirty-five plus years... And as awesome as Julio Jones can be, he's disappeared in games at times as well... You mentioned injuries on some players and those injures shorten careers... Besides the butt hurt of losing a Superbowl, and a six-figured diamond this off-season, Jones has been oft-injured in his career... It's 50-50, at best, Jones plays past 30...

09-04-2017, 06:05 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rice, Brown, Moss, you're talking about three receivers in over thirty-five plus years... And as awesome as Julio Jones can be, he's disappeared in games at times as well... You mentioned injuries on some players and those injures shorten careers... Besides the butt hurt of losing a Superbowl, and a six-figured diamond this off-season, Jones has been oft-injured in his career... It's 50-50, at best, Jones plays past 30... I mentioned 4, actually, and you mentioned 3... Did you want us both to sit here and name every single player that has played past 30, or fallen short? Because the players named don't represent the entire list, my friend. You said that the injuries I mentioned shorten careers. Yeah. That was my point. When you are evaluating the longevity of players by position, major knee injuries aren't part of that process. Any player can have his career ended early with a bad enough injury. When you're talking about elite players, they are athletically gifted and tend to last longer than most, provided they don't have major injuries derailing them. Julio hasn't had anything truly major, and has only had one season where he missed significant time, when he had some kind of foot fracture. Bones heal a lot better than tendons. The fact is that he's not showing any signs of slowing down. We all know that day will come, but some folks seem to think the end is imminent for him, and to me that's just the Falcon disdain talking. Yes, he disappears sometimes. Who doesn't anymore? He shows up enough, to me, and that's a different discussion from whether or not someone is getting old. K Major likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

08-31-2017, 06:49 PM	#8
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: ESPN Is Dumb He did lose expensive jewelry messing around with water front activities so the stupid part is confirmed. mleg1972 likes this.
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08-31-2017, 06:49 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Julio Jones? Arguably the best WR in the league. He's got at least another 5 years of dominance in him. hagan714 likes this.

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WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: ESPN Is Dumb Julio Jones will be pretty useless when Matty Ice is eating turf, holla! SaintFanInATLHELL and mleg1972 like this.

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