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506sports.com - Home I hope the Saints show up, but the better chance of winning is the Pats not showing up. |
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We're gonna shock the world!!!
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What have they "refused" to do? |
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Showing their ineptitude at trying to fix the defense. |
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But keep in mind its only 1 game. But yes, it looks like a lot of new players, New assistants, yet the same old results over the last several years. The only common denominator is??? Lets recap. Changed DC, LB coach, DB coach, DL coach, OL coach, RB coach, TE coach Upgraded our scouting department Upgraded talent at LB, DL, DE, CB, S, OL, WR, RB, FB... I just can't put my finger on what moves we haven't tried... |
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I get Oakland and the JETS. Meh...
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Payton fired Rob because the D he wanted, Rob couldn't deliver. So Payton hired his buddy DA, guess what, that D still doesn't seem to be working. Maybe Payton just can't coach defensively and he should stay clear of that side of the ball. I personally think Carmichael should be calling plays on offense also. |
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DA wasn't his buddy, he was a solid up and comer Payton was familiar with. Dennis Allen will be a successful HC in a few years. He's still very very young. Agree PC should be calling plays. Which brings me back to the point I was making... Whats the common denominator? Hint, he spells his name differently that Peyton Manning. |
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Credit "insert team name" We didn't execute We'll check the tape and get it sorted Any questions? |
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If Payton really wanted to win he would have hired Shwarts and Allen would have been an afterthought. He wanted a puppet and got one. I haven't been impressed with this new D-line coach either.
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Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.
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That's a great song. |
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Different but still a quote I hate. |
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Athleticism is missing from the defense where is that "ED REED ESQUE" FS even he was out there we would probably draft another RB.
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Hey we're not the JETS. Yes we have are problems. But we're not the JETS. Just End The Season.
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My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen
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Yes. Yes we are!!!!
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Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.
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I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.
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We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit. |
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Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results...
Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves... Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people... Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)... The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines... With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan)... If not, he will find himself in the same trajectory as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will and legacy he's built with the fans... |
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Granted I'm not any kind of an authority in the subject, but I don't agree. I was not impressed when he took over for SP. Sent from my FRD-L19 using Tapatalk |
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35-17 Saints I'm sticking with it
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There are similarities between Payton and Phil Jackson with the Knicks as GM ... highest/overpaid at what he does, genius label, championship coach, beholden by ownership, adamantly sticking to same offense which doesn't fit current personnel and doing a lousy job. And now with AP, you can add alienating star players to the list.
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Either Payton continues to stay on this course he started on his own - sharing, trusting responsibilities to the people in the war room, or... It's a Don Shula Dynasty that lasts as long as Benson; we'll see good players like Marino come and go, limited by a benevolent dictator who refuses to change... I've been to the rodeo with regards to the last part in fraternal bodies, non-profits and in businesses - it never ends pretty, with lots of bodies along the way... We're just not a country meant for Machiavellian princes nor benevolent dictators - our businesses, athletic clubs, fraternities, nor government can not tolerate them and survive... |
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The problem is that Loomis is a bean counter and not an experienced football GM. Payton has too much control and knows nothing about defense. A real GM wouldn't let us flounder from 3-4 to 4-3 and back for years and years.
I believe Ireland should be the GM and Loomis should be the magical accountant that makes things happen. Pull some power away from Payton and let the front office run things like a real football organization does. |
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