Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

I was doing some thinking this morning and I think we might have a culture that is far more toxic than the bad days of the Haslett and Ditka eras. Payton plays favorites and the accountability is uneven at best. We could have a corporate mentality where ever player is out for themselves and the bonding between our players, the trust, is only there on the surface.

We'd be better off with a new enthusiastic coach players are willing to play hard and fall on a grenade for, even if that coach isn't as accomplished as Payton.

We should also not get caught up in the offensive vs defense mindset of looking for head coaches. After all, we once hired the defensive Haslett and it ended up being mainly the offense that flourished!

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Would a "worser" (sp) team (one w/o Payton and Brees) be any "worse" than a currently "bad" team (one w/Payton and Brees)? Am I missing something?

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit.

I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Judging by the first two games, NO WAY are we a playoff team. it's not being 0-2 that lead me to believe this but how we lost. That being said, Payton brought us our 1st Lombardi trophy, sign extension when he could've made himself available for other offers that's why we should show some kind of loyalty. Who knows, he might change this around maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

I don't know if he's copying other def coordinators or making this up as he goes but what ever he's doing now needs to stop.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Loomis and his philosophy has been a question for years. It's not that we are 0-2, that was really expected looking at the schedule, it is the ugliness of the losses. The next 2 will tell the tale of the future. We are not the only team trying to get it together out of the gates.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything.

I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning.

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

Yep

Re: It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

The sean payton era is pretty much over it was great for a while but all good things come to a end at somepoint the thing is to recognize it when it does. Im pretty sure i seen it for a couple years now