It's time for the Saints to move on from Sean Payton and Drew Brees
 

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Agreed.

SP, Loomis and Dennis Allen to be sacked and unfortunately trade Drew whilst his stock is high.

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Thats not happening good dreaming though

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I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

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Its time to be looking at the possibilities without Sean Payton but give him the opportunity to end this season maybe he can turn this around. I highly doubt it with Dennis Allen as the defensive coordinator. DA don't have any kind of game plan or idea of what he is doing. Isn't this the 1st time he been a DC?

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That was well said

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we have started 0-2 or 0-3 4 straight years. I think it is over. Turn what around? Do you really believe this is a playoff team?

So he will turn it around to 6-10 or 7-9...again?

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Did you see the Pats Defensive Coordinator yesterday?
Everybody else's defensive coordinator looks like Paul Bunyan.
Ours looks like a 12 year old boy.
We need some hairier, tobacco chewing people on this staff.
The Father of the Dome Patrol is Bum, a Marine, who chewed Cannonball.
Lets find his Son. "
Keep Drew.
Keep Payton's Offense.
Defense will fix this team.

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We need the caddy from Happy Gilmore to coach our defense LOL

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Our offense doesn't look good either and Brees doesn't seem to remember what a check down is. He used to be at the line changing the play and dissecting defenses. Not anymore. It's time to start over. It's boom or bust for me. This mediocre stuff is for the birds.

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Brees needs to stay. Campbell interim HC. Nolan interim DC.

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Everyone had better be careful what they wish for.

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Hire Lavar Ball as new defensive coordinator so our defenders will be told to stay in their lane.

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Benson's an old man and the seats at the Dome keep getting filled.
Don't see him making the radical changes needed at this point. The
sad thing is the Staff knows it and they keep cashing the paychecks.
The Glory season has long been over and all that is left is clutching at
memories of a time from a long time ago.

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I don't see Payton or Brees leaving, not this season anyway. However; I definitely can see DA losing his job if the defense doesn't get on track soon

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When the cameras went to Bensons box late in the game, I asked the wife "who's contracted did he just terminate".

I remember reading a few weeks back 2-2 after four games will be a good start, so lets just keep the fire sale back a couple more weeks.

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Why not? The team assembled is in serious trouble (sub .500 team) & has been for some time. We are eye balling another 0-3 start for the fourth consecutive season. The current criticism of Loomis & Sean Payton is rational.

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The losses are brutal. We would need about 3 turnovers a game at this point to pull off a win. Brees is usually good for 7W's but I don't even see that happening.

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I was doing some thinking this morning and I think we might have a culture that is far more toxic than the bad days of the Haslett and Ditka eras. Payton plays favorites and the accountability is uneven at best. We could have a corporate mentality where ever player is out for themselves and the bonding between our players, the trust, is only there on the surface.

We'd be better off with a new enthusiastic coach players are willing to play hard and fall on a grenade for, even if that coach isn't as accomplished as Payton.

We should also not get caught up in the offensive vs defense mindset of looking for head coaches. After all, we once hired the defensive Haslett and it ended up being mainly the offense that flourished!

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Would a "worser" (sp) team (one w/o Payton and Brees) be any "worse" than a currently "bad" team (one w/Payton and Brees)? Am I missing something?

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Don't cut bait. We've got new leadership throughout this team. Our new additions have all been beneficial. Whether they are coaches, players or front office. It's a new team that needs time to become a collective unit.

I believe that Payton needs to be reigned in and let Loomis be an accountant and have a real football GM.

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Judging by the first two games, NO WAY are we a playoff team. it's not being 0-2 that lead me to believe this but how we lost. That being said, Payton brought us our 1st Lombardi trophy, sign extension when he could've made himself available for other offers that's why we should show some kind of loyalty. Who knows, he might change this around maybe DA may get some kind of concept on how to devise a game plan to use to his players strengths instead of just copying other def coordinator ideas.

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I don't know if he's copying other def coordinators or making this up as he goes but what ever he's doing now needs to stop.

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Loomis and his philosophy has been a question for years. It's not that we are 0-2, that was really expected looking at the schedule, it is the ugliness of the losses. The next 2 will tell the tale of the future. We are not the only team trying to get it together out of the gates.

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Well that was my point when I brought up his age. I don't think he's worrying about the future of the franchise, at this point. I could be wrong, but it seems unlikely he will do anything.

I don't agree that our best chance to win another championship is now, though. That opportunity has passed. If the right changes are made we could get there again, but this current situation is not one that lends itself to winning.

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Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

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Yep

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The sean payton era is pretty much over it was great for a while but all good things come to a end at somepoint the thing is to recognize it when it does. Im pretty sure i seen it for a couple years now

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The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

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yes because 7-9 is so much better than 5-11?

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Thank you, people who keep saying that are laughable. Be careful what you wish for you might go 6-10 instead of 7-9. This team has looked horrible in 2 games this season. What about the other 48 prior to this one? Same.

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I have no idea what Benson will do, but he definitely is or appears not to be in the frame of mind to do what needs doing. I am holding out for a 3 win season if we are going to miss the playoffs again. At least maybe we finally fire SP.

That said, please stop with the fire DA threads. Jesus H Christ...how many people have to be laid out to the alter for SP? We just remade our entire defensive coaching unit to which 90% or more on this board swore was the answer. It does not appear to have been the coaching...so who is left to fire? Who is the main culprit, the common link, the least common denom?

BTW- I remember asking, when people were gushing about the new coaches, if we failed again would people be quick to point out the issue wasn't coaching. Someone replied no, lol. I guess it is true.

Sean is the issue, repeat after me, Sean can no longer win and has lost the team.

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I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB.

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees.

** Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt.

*** Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !

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that would have been the best suited trading partner prior to Watson. I think they're dug in

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It was and is coaching. Some talent issues here and there, but mostly coaching. I liked the hiring of Mike Nolan, and liked bringing back Curtis Johnson. I don't know anything about the defensive line coach they brought in, so that one didn't move me one way or the other.

But I have never been an advocate of Dennis Allen as DC. I don't see anything schematically that is overwhelming, and I surely don't see any discipline. The discipline problem is team wide, which means the head coach isn't getting his message across. Why, I don't know... there clearly seems to be a disconnect, but who knows how that came to be. I have a bunch of theories, but there's no point in getting into that.

Offensively, we have gotten behind the times. It goes to show how quickly things can change in the NFL. Payton thinks he can do the same things he did a few years ago, but people adjust eventually. Great coaches adapt to changing times. Coaches with fancy schemes and no backup plan tend to fade out just like any other trendy thing in life. Remember "the greatest show on turf"? Those Rams offenses were like man landing on Mars; it was so advanced, and it just seemed like no one would ever stop that team. And yet, it was over relatively quickly, and Mike Martz moved on to a couple of different places, but his offense never succeeded again.

This seems to be the track Sean Payton is on. I don't know if he has a second wind in him, but right now it looks like he isn't the type of coach who is ever going to adapt to the ever changing league. I hope I'm wrong for his sake and ours, but if I happen to be right, I would rather this not drag on longer than it needs to.

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I do remember those days. But I'd rather be a Dome Patrol than a finesse team with no defense. In any sport. You are always closer with great defense/pitching. Lots of close games. You may fall short of winning some big ones, but at least you made the other team earn it. No rebounds, no rings. Defense wins championships.

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Very good point, Look at Houston, they make nearly every game close because they have a top 5 D. All they need is a franchise QB to take them over the edge.

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I agree and I too liked the Curtis signing again and I was glad we let go Vitt. I guess the point I am trying to make is that at some point we cannot keep firing everyone else. Spags went on to be successful again in NY. RR was a terrible signing then and now. DA I had hopes for, but at some point we just can't keep blaming everyone except SP (And I recognize you're not doing that). You're right, it has the feel he has lost the team. When you keep churning the same product year in and year out the HC has to be to blame. How many years does it take to rebuild to become at the very least competitive. We look the same as we have for what is now the fourth year. Matter of fact we look worse this year than last. At least so far. I am sure we will string together some wins and old 7-9 will get us back to his sweet spot and next year it will be cycle and repeat.

I'd rather see what someone else can do. 7-9 and no playoffs is no worse than 3-13 and no playoffs.