I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

I would rather we somehow incredibly pulled it all together and went 14-2, but things are what they are, and have been this way for quite some time now. So IF this team continues to be this much of a mess, it would be best to make changes.

I agree with the writer about Loomis kicking the can down the road. That's exactly what he's been doing, and I've argued this with a certain person for a couple of years. It's not a "genius" move to restructure bad deals. That money doesn't disappear, it just gets put to the side and collects more and more debt. He does enough to stay out of the penalty, but leaves no room for us to really address needs. Then, when we have a little money, he and Payton splurge on one guy who invariably busts.

And that dead money? If you take Loomis' strategy and apply it to a real business (not a sports team that makes money without him having to lift a finger) he wouldn't have a job. When you're losing money, you're bad at what you do. But he gets a pass from certain people, because he can hide behind the team profits, which have nothing to do with him, and everything to do with fan support. Meanwhile, however, Loomis is losing money on deals consistently, as he does patchwork to stay under the cap, which is apparently all that matters to some folks.

I think Payton and Loomis should clearly be on the hot seat, but I still don't get the impression that Tom Benson is in a frame of mind to fire them. At his age, and given that he won a Super Bowl with this duo in place, I just don't think he cares about how mediocre we are right now. If we win 4 games or less, maybe it would sound the alarms in his mind a little bit, that it's time to move on.

Tom Benson is 92yo and he just what was left of his family out of his life...

Take a good look at Gayle Benson, Dennis Lauscha, Mickey Loomis - that's what's is running this franchise until it's sold...

Our best chance at a Championship is right now...

Its crazy to talk about unloading Brees

The odds of finding a trade partner for Brees is low anyway. The only team that seems like they are a QB away from a deep playoff run is Denver. Brees is in the last year of his contract, so a bad team that needs a QB like the Jets is not going to trade for him when they know they will probably lose him in FA anyway the next offseason.

I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB.

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees.

** Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt.

*** Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

I live in Houston, so I know a little, not much about the Texans, but the Texans would would all give Brees their body parts to join this team, because they're one of about 20 or so teams that has everything else BUT a great QB.

I guess some of you are too young to remember what its like to have a great rest-of-the-team-even-a-great kicker, but at QB, have an Aaron Brooks or a Jim Everett or a Dave Wilson or some assorted Billy Joes.

Drew Brees'es dont grow on trees, people.

Even a guy named Bobby Hebert, (who was actually one of our 2** best pre-Brees QBs*** ) agrees with me.

It would be CRAZY to unload Drew Brees.

** Somewhere, on our board, there could be some millenial kid, playing with his phone, who doesnt know the name ARCHIE. Dont laugh. 60% of America cant name 3 branches of govt.

*** Bobby was actually pretty damn good, and tough as nails. Dont be hatin, fellow old guys. You were screamin for them to put him in, when we had Dave Wilson, so put a sock in it. And we all felt like we had a chance, when Bobby was in there. Did you feel like that with Richard Todd? Yeah, ok I thought Todd would do it for us too. nevermind. But he was 10X better than Stabler- so simma down now !