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saintshrimp 09-20-2017 01:06 AM

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Always knew i wanted Denzel Perryman when we took Anthony but alot of you said i was crazy and would see when Anthony becomes a pro bowl player. Well so much for that

Halo 09-20-2017 02:03 AM

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Yet another first round draft pick who produced 1 season for us and traded for probably a much later round. Glad to see we got any production out of him but one season isn't enough.

Another awesome job by our front office and Loomis!

CheramieIII 09-20-2017 02:18 AM

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How do we always seem to miss on 1st round picks. If you pick someone in the 1st round aren't they supposed to work out most of the time?

jeanpierre 09-20-2017 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 765325)
Yet another first round draft pick who produced 1 season for us and traded for probably a much later round. Glad to see we got any production out of him but one season isn't enough. Another awesome job by our front office and Loomis!

Maybe Loomis can package the fifth round pick with the third round pick to select Vonn Bell's replacement, on the bench...

Why are we blowing the team up in Week 3, when Loomis should've been doing this in March?

We've really got to get that front office of Lauscha and Loomis replaced; need a real strong GM, Finks type; but with a geriatric owner, realistically, will anything happen?



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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 765326)
How do we always seem to miss on 1st round picks. If you pick someone in the 1st round aren't they supposed to work out most of the time?

Did we miss? Look at his first season production. Guess as the information becomes declassified, we'll get all the juice on what was really going on...

jeanpierre 09-20-2017 04:44 AM

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So, can we interpret this trade as an endorsement of the Anzalone pick and the Klein signing?

While we're trading first round picks, I'd like to know what we could get for Vaccaro? Peat? Rankins?

Realistically, we should move Hau'oli Kikaha next for a more natural DE. Ravens Bronson Kaufusi?

Maybe we can throw in the draft pick and Hau'oli Kikaha for Rams DE Aaron Donald, who's know odd man out in Wade Phillips 3-4 front?

jeanpierre 09-20-2017 06:08 AM

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WillSaints81 09-20-2017 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 765239)
So the rumors say

The guy going to turnout to be pro bowler but if he turn out to be a all timer this will be prime reason this regime of coaches and front office must go.


Definition of all-timer. US. :an exceptional person or thing that is regarded as the best or as among the best of all time.

If he does turn out to be one, it is going to be because he was surrounded by much better defensive players than anyone on our team.

AsylumGuido 09-20-2017 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 765326)
How do we always seem to miss on 1st round picks. If you pick someone in the 1st round aren't they supposed to work out most of the time?

Tell that to Cleveland. Or to the Redskins.

AsylumGuido 09-20-2017 07:55 AM

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If Anthony was not able to break into the LB rotation he was simply a waste of a roster spot. Getting anything for him is better than nothing. We have Armstead and Strief on the active roster and need room in the meantime. The move makes perfect sense. Te'o has made Anthony totally expendable.

Rell&Gold 09-20-2017 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 765365)
If Anthony was not able to break into the LB rotation he was simply a waste of a roster spot. Getting anything for him is better than nothing. We have Armstead and Strief on the active roster and need room in the meantime. The move makes perfect sense. Te'o has made Anthony totally expendable.


I'll beg to differ with your first and last statement.

hagan714 09-20-2017 08:23 AM

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5th rounder is disappointing for us.

Going to another 43 defense is disappointing for him.

Malcom Brown was my pick in that draft and I was ready to eat crow after year 1. Landon Collins was the pick to make that year even with Kenny already on the team.

Let off season hype in the beauty pageants over game tape be a warning to all of us

Best of luck and may he find a home with a 34 defense in the AFC

AsylumGuido 09-20-2017 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765373)
I'll beg to differ with your first and last statement.

That is your prerogative.

Rell&Gold 09-20-2017 08:23 AM

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Teo' or Anzalone haven't shown me anything to solodify their roster spot at this point. Anzalone has been getting abused like a baby in coverage since pre-season

hagan714 09-20-2017 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765376)
Teo' or Anzalone haven't shown me anything to solodify their roster spot at this point. Anzalone has been getting abused like a baby in coverage since pre-season

Anzalone is a rookie. DA is not going all out like we all thought he would. I have a gut feeling the loss of Delvin Breaux may have some thing to do with.

I still would love to see Klien at MLB more if we can find SLB

foreverfan 09-20-2017 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 765237)
We could not get a lineman or something? :confused:

We will most likely end up with something.

https://media.giphy.com/media/7ZgBm32jWGn72/giphy.gif

ChrisXVI 09-20-2017 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765376)
Teo' or Anzalone haven't shown me anything to solodify their roster spot at this point. Anzalone has been getting abused like a baby in coverage since pre-season

Not true. Anzalone has done very well. Are we really going to give up on him because he struggled against Brady/Gronkowski?

AsylumGuido 09-20-2017 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765376)
Teo' or Anzalone haven't shown me anything to solodify their roster spot at this point. Anzalone has been getting abused like a baby in coverage since pre-season

I am sure you are referring to Anzalone "getting betting" by Gronk last week. There isn't a LB in the league that could have stuck with Gronk for as long as he was given to get open. I seriously doubt Anthony could have done any better, especially since he couldn't even break into the starting lineup given every chance this off-season.

K Major 09-20-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 765374)
5th rounder is disappointing for us.

Malcom Brown was my pick in that draft and I was ready to eat crow after year 1. Landon Collins was the pick to make that year even with Kenny already on the team.

Correct. I know Hindsight is 20/20, but damn to think Landon was still on the board AFTER we selected PEAT and Anthony :disgusted:.

K Major 09-20-2017 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 765332)
Maybe Loomis can package the fifth round pick with the third round pick to select Vonn Bell's replacement, on the bench...

Or maybe Loomis, Sean Payton etc don't know what they are doing as it relates to drafting defensive players. If they keep changing the type of defense to run every other year, we will most certainly never find players that "fit".

Good luck to Stephone in Miami. A change of scenery could do him some good.

neugey 09-20-2017 09:12 AM

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"Trading the guy that had no playing time improved our defense dramatically!"

Said no one ever.

73Saint 09-20-2017 09:53 AM

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Time will tell a lot with this one. Only because Mike Nolan is here do I feel even somewhat ok with this. If Nolan hasn't been able to coach him up maybe something really is missing. But I will say this (& I know I am stating the obvious) if he goes to Miami at balls out, HUGE indictment to our entire organization.

I honestly hope he makes it, and does well. I want to see us succeed but if there really is a cancer or something wrong with the culture on airline it needs to be exposed.

K Major 09-20-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 765394)
I want to see us succeed but if there really is a cancer or something wrong with the culture on airline it needs to be exposed.

Sean benches Sterling Moore (now injured) for an entire game #1 when we could have used his vet leadership, Crawley is a healthy scratch in two games, Kenny Vacarro not knowing why he's been benched on a play, Adrian Peterson has been rarely used in the run game, DA defensive game plan in question, etc.

I don't think we need to see 8 more games before saying Dennis Allen is the wrong man for the DC job.

nola_swammi 09-20-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 765379)
Not true. Anzalone has done very well. Are we really going to give up on him because he struggled against Brady/Gronkowski?

We gave up SA after he led in tackles with his stellar rookie season. We didn't see a decline in his performance the following year, we seen coaches decide not to play him and switch him to a different position. The only good thing coming from this trade is that I get a chance to see if those rumors are true about his unable to learn a defense and perform.

Crusader 09-20-2017 10:38 AM

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What system does Miami play on defence?

K Major 09-20-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 765407)
What system does Miami play on defence?

4-3 ... Suh and Wake are still arriving with bad intentions. We'll be challenged in this one.

Rell&Gold 09-20-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 765377)
Anzalone is a rookie. DA is not going all out like we all thought he would. I have a gut feeling the loss of Delvin Breaux may have some thing to do with.

I still would love to see Klien at MLB more if we can find SLB

Anzalone being a rookie is supposed to help me ignore the fact that he's been a liability in coverage

Rell&Gold 09-20-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 765410)
4-3 ... Suh and Wake are still arriving with bad intentions. We'll be challenged in this one.

And Jay Ajayi is pretty damn good

Rell&Gold 09-20-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 765399)
Sean benches Sterling Moore (now injured) for an entire game #1 when we could have used his vet leadership, Crawley is a healthy scratch in two games, Kenny Vacarro not knowing why he's been benched on a play, Adrian Peterson has been rarely used in the run game, DA defensive game plan in question, etc.

I don't think we need to see 8 more games before saying Dennis Allen is the wrong man for the DC job.

I dont think we need to see another snap to realize that....He's not going to turn anything around defensively, at least not here

Utah_Saint 09-20-2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765411)
Anzalone being a rookie is supposed to help me ignore the fact that he's been a liability in coverage

The Saints defense is a liability in coverage.

AsylumGuido 09-20-2017 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 765416)
The Saints defense is a liability in coverage.

Anyone trying to cover Gronk is a liability in coverage.

K Major 09-20-2017 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 765422)
Anyone trying to cover Gronk is a liability in coverage.

AG,
We get it with Gronk. He's a beast, arguably the best in the NFL and has been for a while however that Saints defense has been a liability for years.

We gave up over 470 yards of offense to the Vikings in Week 1. Week 2, we gave up over 500 yards of offense to the Pats in the dome. Dennis Allen defense is giving up over 50% conversions on 3rd downs (that's the equivalent of 1 out of 9 drives), while allowing points on 2/3rds of possessions. That's flat out awful & unheard of. We still have Cam, Stafford & Rodgers who are good to elite quarterbacks.

I'm as optimistic as the next man but we have serious issues on defense & a very unkind schedule with QB's capable of embarrassing us (see Bradford and Brady), even Jay Cutler.

dizzle88 09-20-2017 12:46 PM

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It wasn't just gronk that beat us from the TE spot, Rex Burkhead of all people made us look foolish too.

Utah_Saint 09-20-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 765422)
Anyone trying to cover Gronk is a liability in coverage.

You're right. Gronk is special. But even if you take Gronk's numbers out, the Saints have still given up 661 yards in the air in two games. That would still be 31st in the league.

Papa Voodoo 09-20-2017 01:57 PM

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Well, SA may not have worked out for us, but Unger sure did.

QBREES9 09-20-2017 02:54 PM

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Oh well! Take care wished it worked out.

MarchingOn 09-20-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 765347)

Anthony is the 4th member of the Saints’ 2015 draft class to depart roster in past two months, following Grayson, Swann & Murphy.


And we coulda taken OT L. Collins in the 7th to save that entire draft. What suckers all 32 teams were and there were plenty of regular guys with common sense who saw the bluff and would've called it.

Danno 09-20-2017 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 765517)
Anthony is the 4th member of the Saints’ 2015 draft class to depart roster in past two months, following Grayson, Swann & Murphy. https://twitter.com/Saints/status/910270425057382400

And we coulda taken OT L. Collins in the 7th to save that entire draft. What suckers all 32 teams were and there were plenty of regular guys with common sense who saw the bluff and would've called it.


No we couldn't have. He would have sat out.

Crusader 09-21-2017 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 765519)
No we couldn't have. He would have sat out.

Yeah, him and his agent was very clear about that. Seems some people missed that part.

hagan714 09-21-2017 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 765411)
Anzalone being a rookie is supposed to help me ignore the fact that he's been a liability in coverage

No but I was going for hope :p. Looking at his play I see the saints once again getting caught asking a LB to cover too long with no pass rush. They have a long history of asking fast LB to do this.

hagan714 09-21-2017 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 765437)
It wasn't just gronk that beat us from the TE spot, Rex Burkhead of all people made us look foolish too.

Do not under estimate Burkhead. In the Pats offense he will make many more teams look foolish this year. The Bengals looked foolish for waiting so long to get him on the field. He got his shot due to injuries and made the most of it.

I wanted Rex in FA but we drafted Alvin Kamara and trade away this year 2nd round pick, I liked the talent in the 2018 draft too much and had to go with "In SP I trust" with the pick.

Burkhead was a great signing. though the money he got seemed a bit rich at the time. $1.8 million (+ $250,000 in per-game roster bonuses), which was a solid deal in hind sight.

2018: Free Agent we may get a second shot at him

Be happy he left the game after the first TD. Or it could have been worse


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