Reach for DJ?

Danno · 04-07-2005, 03:02 PM

Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB?

Soooo, you actually think Sully was worth 2 firsts?

Hmmm. Interesting. (keep away from that edit button WD)

natedogg02 · 04-07-2005, 04:16 PM

I agree with Dat because they usually arent as good as there suppose to be. I say get one in 2nd or 3rd and get a DT with the 1st. Our LB\'s prob would\'nt be so bad if the line could stop the run. (its hard to make the tackle running in coverage across the field and the RB runs by you full speed, then they start looking in on the run and they bust a big pass on us). We need a good DT even if JS does do good because, BY is kinda small to be a run stuffing every down type DT.

FireVenturi · 04-07-2005, 11:59 PM

He is only a reach if he is picked at #1 or #2 overall. he is dat good

LKelley67 · 04-08-2005, 12:32 AM

below 6 or 7 is a fall for him imo.

cardboardboxer · 04-08-2005, 12:38 AM

he is very much worth it. I watch Texas football almost as much as I do the Saints (actually more because I don\'t have directtv anymore), and DJ is amazing. The way he tackles, OR FORCES FUMBLES! He will probably go very high, a can\'t miss in a thin draft for those.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-08-2005, 07:27 AM

I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him.

GT. Unfortunately we are talking about a Saints Coaching and Scouting Staff that has been in place for the last 5 years and a FO that Loomis has run for the last 3.

See those guys think that everything is fine and that the team, especially the defense, just needs a little tweak. They are still basking in the glow of the season ending 4 game winning streak and ALMOST (oh so close!) making the playoffs.

While I think that they addressed the biggest offensive need in signing Mayberry and ditching Riley, and that they upgraded the safety spot by ditching Tebucky and signing Smith, that in the end they are both tweaks.

But the LB core needs some fire. And they have barely touched it this offseason. Pierce wouldn\'t talk to them. Hartwell went to the hated Falcons
(with Ron Mexico, herpes spreader!

). Jamie Sharper is still out there.

But as I open this thread (indirectly I guess) we need someone with skills so exceptional that they can overcome the rest of the mess.

I doubt that the Saints FO, coaching, and scouting staffs see it that way.

Pity for them.

SFIAH

GoldenTomb · 04-08-2005, 08:00 AM

I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him.

GT. Unfortunately we are talking about a Saints Coaching and Scouting Staff that has been in place for the last 5 years and a FO that Loomis has run for the last 3.

See those guys think that everything is fine and that the team, especially the defense, just needs a little tweak. They are still basking in the glow of the season ending 4 game winning streak and ALMOST (oh so close!) making the playoffs.

While I think that they addressed the biggest offensive need in signing Mayberry and ditching Riley, and that they upgraded the safety spot by ditching Tebucky and signing Smith, that in the end they are both tweaks.

But the LB core needs some fire. And they have barely touched it this offseason. Pierce wouldn\'t talk to them. Hartwell went to the hated Falcons
(with Ron Mexico, herpes spreader! ). Jamie Sharper is still out there.

But as I open this thread (indirectly I guess) we need someone with skills so exceptional that they can overcome the rest of the mess.

I doubt that the Saints FO, coaching, and scouting staffs see it that way.

Pity for them.

SFIAH

As the Front Office goes, so goes the mentailty of the so called \"Sunshiners\", who also think we are only one or two players away from the playoffs. In that case, that would make an even more compelling arguement to pick DJ up. They already missed out on DJ Williams and Michael Boulware last year from not being aggressive enough. It\'s pretty obvious that both of them will do very well in the NFL. Now we have a shot at someone who\'s even more highly touted than they were??? Come on man...

I actually want DJ more than I want C-Wood, but I know that this team is always wary of draft picks, so I\'m really not expecting DJ to come here. But I can\'t understand if they aren\'t even looking at the possibility.

Danno · 04-08-2005, 08:48 AM

I think some are missing his point.

This team has enough talent to win if it had a good coaching staff. But we don\'t. The only way this team is going to win is to acquire as much EXCEPTIONAL talent as it can. Thats the only way I see us overcoming the coaching deficit.

A player like Derrick Johnson fits that criteria, IF he\'s as awesome as most every expert states.

Our front office has stated they don\'t think much of him, which is the most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen.
They want him bad. Otherwise they\'d hype him, insuring he gets selected before someone they really want.

WhoDat · 04-08-2005, 08:49 AM

Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT.

I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. If so, would I trade two firsts for him...

Uh Danno.... where\'d I go wrong?

Danno · 04-08-2005, 08:56 AM

Uh Danno.... where\'d I go wrong?

Uhh, can\'t help you there bud

Perhaps councelling would help?
JK,

I think I just misread your post, and you mine. I\'m not saying he IS the next LT. I\'m saying IF he is, would you trade up to say #3 to try and get him. And you answered that just as I did.

PS - I wish I were as wise as you, WhoDat.

[Edited on 8/4/2005 by WhoDat]

04-07-2005, 03:02 PM	#11
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Reach for DJ? Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB? Soooo, you actually think Sully was worth 2 firsts? Hmmm. Interesting. (keep away from that edit button WD)

04-07-2005, 04:16 PM	#12
natedogg02 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 145	Reach for DJ? I agree with Dat because they usually arent as good as there suppose to be. I say get one in 2nd or 3rd and get a DT with the 1st. Our LB\'s prob would\'nt be so bad if the line could stop the run. (its hard to make the tackle running in coverage across the field and the RB runs by you full speed, then they start looking in on the run and they bust a big pass on us). We need a good DT even if JS does do good because, BY is kinda small to be a run stuffing every down type DT.
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04-07-2005, 11:59 PM	#13
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Reach for DJ? He is only a reach if he is picked at #1 or #2 overall. he is dat good

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LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? below 6 or 7 is a fall for him imo.

04-08-2005, 12:38 AM	#15
cardboardboxer Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65	Reach for DJ? he is very much worth it. I watch Texas football almost as much as I do the Saints (actually more because I don\'t have directtv anymore), and DJ is amazing. The way he tackles, OR FORCES FUMBLES! He will probably go very high, a can\'t miss in a thin draft for those.
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04-08-2005, 07:27 AM	#16
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Reach for DJ? I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him. GT. Unfortunately we are talking about a Saints Coaching and Scouting Staff that has been in place for the last 5 years and a FO that Loomis has run for the last 3. See those guys think that everything is fine and that the team, especially the defense, just needs a little tweak. They are still basking in the glow of the season ending 4 game winning streak and ALMOST (oh so close!) making the playoffs. While I think that they addressed the biggest offensive need in signing Mayberry and ditching Riley, and that they upgraded the safety spot by ditching Tebucky and signing Smith, that in the end they are both tweaks. But the LB core needs some fire. And they have barely touched it this offseason. Pierce wouldn\'t talk to them. Hartwell went to the hated Falcons (with Ron Mexico, herpes spreader! ). Jamie Sharper is still out there. But as I open this thread (indirectly I guess) we need someone with skills so exceptional that they can overcome the rest of the mess. I doubt that the Saints FO, coaching, and scouting staffs see it that way. Pity for them. SFIAH
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04-08-2005, 08:00 AM	#17
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Reach for DJ? I think it\'s befuddling if they aren\'t even considering trading up for him. I think if he drops past 3 we have to make a play for him. GT. Unfortunately we are talking about a Saints Coaching and Scouting Staff that has been in place for the last 5 years and a FO that Loomis has run for the last 3. See those guys think that everything is fine and that the team, especially the defense, just needs a little tweak. They are still basking in the glow of the season ending 4 game winning streak and ALMOST (oh so close!) making the playoffs. While I think that they addressed the biggest offensive need in signing Mayberry and ditching Riley, and that they upgraded the safety spot by ditching Tebucky and signing Smith, that in the end they are both tweaks. But the LB core needs some fire. And they have barely touched it this offseason. Pierce wouldn\'t talk to them. Hartwell went to the hated Falcons (with Ron Mexico, herpes spreader! ). Jamie Sharper is still out there. But as I open this thread (indirectly I guess) we need someone with skills so exceptional that they can overcome the rest of the mess. I doubt that the Saints FO, coaching, and scouting staffs see it that way. Pity for them. SFIAH As the Front Office goes, so goes the mentailty of the so called \"Sunshiners\", who also think we are only one or two players away from the playoffs. In that case, that would make an even more compelling arguement to pick DJ up. They already missed out on DJ Williams and Michael Boulware last year from not being aggressive enough. It\'s pretty obvious that both of them will do very well in the NFL. Now we have a shot at someone who\'s even more highly touted than they were??? Come on man... I actually want DJ more than I want C-Wood, but I know that this team is always wary of draft picks, so I\'m really not expecting DJ to come here. But I can\'t understand if they aren\'t even looking at the possibility.
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04-08-2005, 08:48 AM	#18
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Reach for DJ? I think some are missing his point. This team has enough talent to win if it had a good coaching staff. But we don\'t. The only way this team is going to win is to acquire as much EXCEPTIONAL talent as it can. Thats the only way I see us overcoming the coaching deficit. A player like Derrick Johnson fits that criteria, IF he\'s as awesome as most every expert states. Our front office has stated they don\'t think much of him, which is the most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen. They want him bad. Otherwise they\'d hype him, insuring he gets selected before someone they really want.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Reach for DJ? Again, IF you were absolutely positive you were going to get the next LT. I guess your assumption is that you\'re absolutely positive that this guy is LT. If so, would I trade two firsts for him... Uh Danno.... where\'d I go wrong?
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04-08-2005, 08:56 AM	#20
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Reach for DJ? Uh Danno.... where\'d I go wrong? Uhh, can\'t help you there bud Perhaps councelling would help? JK, I think I just misread your post, and you mine. I\'m not saying he IS the next LT. I\'m saying IF he is, would you trade up to say #3 to try and get him. And you answered that just as I did. PS - I wish I were as wise as you, WhoDat. [Edited on 8/4/2005 by WhoDat]