Reach for DJ?

baronm · 04-08-2005, 10:16 AM

Our front office has stated they don\'t think much of him, which is the most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen.
They want him bad. Otherwise they\'d hype him, insuring he gets selected before someone they really want.

so what your saying is that we have a plan-that plan is to make everyone think we want travis johnosn and Mcperhson so that they will take those guys, so that we can get the guys we want?

problem here is that if anyone is listenting to the saints to provide who they will pick-they are in worse trouble than we are.

but i hope you are right and we have a plan to fill the other 65% of our needs.

LKelley67 · 04-08-2005, 01:13 PM

this front office and coaching take is THE major issue about this team imo. as danno stated, there have been plenty of playoff teams i wouldn\'t count as having as much talent as this one the past few years.

as far as just a player away from the playoffs, the sad fact is that it is true. 37.5% of the teams make the playoffs. there was a discussion on another thread whether there have been major changes or aggressive personnel moves or whether they have been bad moves. i think both! yeah, some turnover and going after people but net result: downgrade. glover and joe johnson to the heavy lunch bunch to serviceable young and nobody. 11th ranked defense in 2000 to 32nd four years later. playoffs? big whoop. whether playoffs or not i want to see an improving product on the field. the jags and texans are two teams that come to mind. no playoffs but improving, looking like they are geling (like a felon) and on the road to success. they have to do it and get there tho. if ya don\'t you just do not keep repeating the same formula with the same results year after year. sorry for soapboxing but i have to mention the vikes again. very similar profile and rate of succes as the saints. they even snuck into the playoffs last year. i think they realized this formula ain\'t getting it. let\'s get out of the box we have been in the past few years (high flying offense/no D) and try a different approach. whether it works or not i give them credit for not being satisfied with being a fringe playoff team. what i fear here is that there is satisfaction with that. benson\'s tightwadedness is a factor. a beancounter gm is another. i thik a declining last ranked defense necessitates more than tweaking. in today\'s nfl there are windows of opportunity with the ebb and flow of salary cap life. this team is on the brink of reaching some serious squeezing whether they win big or not.

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by LKelley67]

duece4pres · 04-08-2005, 11:53 PM

He would be a big addition and upgrade for our LB unit. Maybe another Sam Mills or Vaughan Johnson??

-RVD- · 04-09-2005, 12:54 AM

We could trade our 1st, 2nd and 4th for the Titans 1st and 3rd.
If we get the Cowboys 2nd and 4th for Darren Howard, we would have these pick after trading up for DJ.

2nd - #42
3rd - #68
3rd - #82
4th -#109
5th - #152
6th - #193
7th - #232

LKelley67 · 04-09-2005, 02:02 AM

remember to pull out your old draft pick value chart rvd...

that trade with the titans is 1850 pts for them 1558 for NO

the cost for their #6 (1600) alone is more like saints 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks, 1680 pts.

daniel · 04-09-2005, 09:50 AM

This year the charts may not hold much water. This is not a deep draft IMO and a bunch of the teams at the top are in real cap trouble. They want out of the early part of the draft.

-RVD- · 04-09-2005, 12:29 PM

This year the charts may not hold much water. This is not a deep draft IMO and a bunch of the teams at the top are in real cap trouble. They want out of the early part of the draft.

Exactly.

It will cost less to trade up this draft, than any other.Because lots of teams what to trade down.The value chart kinda goes out the window.

[Edited on 9/4/2005 by -RVD-]

LKelley67 · 04-09-2005, 05:09 PM

we\'ll see. i cannot imagine any team giving up a second rounder (300pts) to move down tho.

FireVenturi · 04-11-2005, 01:01 AM

Just get it done guys.....i want DJ

GoldenTomb · 04-11-2005, 09:23 AM

Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB?

Soooo, you actually think Sully was worth 2 firsts?

Hmmm. Interesting. (keep away from that edit button WD)

Has nothing to do with our personal opinions on the matter and has everything to do with the past behavior of the FO. If they had it in their minds that Sully was worth the trade up(remembering that Dewayne Robertson was their primary target), why would they think that DJ wasn\'t worth the risk? Giving it some thought I think they are strongly considering making a play to trade up and get DJ. It just doesn\'t add up that they said they aren\'t \"enamored\" with him, the most highly touted defensive player to come out in years. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]

04-08-2005, 10:16 AM	#21
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Reach for DJ? Our front office has stated they don\'t think much of him, which is the most transparent smokescreen I\'ve ever seen. They want him bad. Otherwise they\'d hype him, insuring he gets selected before someone they really want. so what your saying is that we have a plan-that plan is to make everyone think we want travis johnosn and Mcperhson so that they will take those guys, so that we can get the guys we want? problem here is that if anyone is listenting to the saints to provide who they will pick-they are in worse trouble than we are. but i hope you are right and we have a plan to fill the other 65% of our needs.
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04-08-2005, 01:13 PM	#22
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? this front office and coaching take is THE major issue about this team imo. as danno stated, there have been plenty of playoff teams i wouldn\'t count as having as much talent as this one the past few years. as far as just a player away from the playoffs, the sad fact is that it is true. 37.5% of the teams make the playoffs. there was a discussion on another thread whether there have been major changes or aggressive personnel moves or whether they have been bad moves. i think both! yeah, some turnover and going after people but net result: downgrade. glover and joe johnson to the heavy lunch bunch to serviceable young and nobody. 11th ranked defense in 2000 to 32nd four years later. playoffs? big whoop. whether playoffs or not i want to see an improving product on the field. the jags and texans are two teams that come to mind. no playoffs but improving, looking like they are geling (like a felon) and on the road to success. they have to do it and get there tho. if ya don\'t you just do not keep repeating the same formula with the same results year after year. sorry for soapboxing but i have to mention the vikes again. very similar profile and rate of succes as the saints. they even snuck into the playoffs last year. i think they realized this formula ain\'t getting it. let\'s get out of the box we have been in the past few years (high flying offense/no D) and try a different approach. whether it works or not i give them credit for not being satisfied with being a fringe playoff team. what i fear here is that there is satisfaction with that. benson\'s tightwadedness is a factor. a beancounter gm is another. i thik a declining last ranked defense necessitates more than tweaking. in today\'s nfl there are windows of opportunity with the ebb and flow of salary cap life. this team is on the brink of reaching some serious squeezing whether they win big or not. [Edited on 9/4/2005 by LKelley67]

04-09-2005, 12:54 AM	#24
-RVD- Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 78	Reach for DJ? We could trade our 1st, 2nd and 4th for the Titans 1st and 3rd. If we get the Cowboys 2nd and 4th for Darren Howard, we would have these pick after trading up for DJ. 2nd - #42 3rd - #68 3rd - #82 4th -#109 5th - #152 6th - #193 7th - #232

04-09-2005, 02:02 AM	#25
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? remember to pull out your old draft pick value chart rvd... that trade with the titans is 1850 pts for them 1558 for NO the cost for their #6 (1600) alone is more like saints 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks, 1680 pts.

04-09-2005, 09:50 AM	#26
daniel Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 28	Reach for DJ? This year the charts may not hold much water. This is not a deep draft IMO and a bunch of the teams at the top are in real cap trouble. They want out of the early part of the draft.
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04-08-2005, 11:53 PM	#23
duece4pres Biloxi Bandit Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: biloxi, ms Posts: 293	Reach for DJ? He would be a big addition and upgrade for our LB unit. Maybe another Sam Mills or Vaughan Johnson??

04-09-2005, 12:29 PM	#27
-RVD- Registered Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana Posts: 78	Reach for DJ? This year the charts may not hold much water. This is not a deep draft IMO and a bunch of the teams at the top are in real cap trouble. They want out of the early part of the draft. Exactly. It will cost less to trade up this draft, than any other.Because lots of teams what to trade down.The value chart kinda goes out the window. [Edited on 9/4/2005 by -RVD-]

04-09-2005, 05:09 PM	#28
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Reach for DJ? we\'ll see. i cannot imagine any team giving up a second rounder (300pts) to move down tho.

04-11-2005, 01:01 AM	#29
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Reach for DJ? Just get it done guys.....i want DJ

04-11-2005, 09:23 AM	#30
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Reach for DJ? Two firsts for Sully, why not two firsts for a Pro Bowler at LB? Soooo, you actually think Sully was worth 2 firsts? Hmmm. Interesting. (keep away from that edit button WD) Has nothing to do with our personal opinions on the matter and has everything to do with the past behavior of the FO. If they had it in their minds that Sully was worth the trade up(remembering that Dewayne Robertson was their primary target), why would they think that DJ wasn\'t worth the risk? Giving it some thought I think they are strongly considering making a play to trade up and get DJ. It just doesn\'t add up that they said they aren\'t \"enamored\" with him, the most highly touted defensive player to come out in years. Makes no sense whatsoever. [Edited on 11/4/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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