Crawley the number one rated CB?

hagan714 · 10-07-2017, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

CB? I like taller CB 5'11" to 6'1" seems to be the best range as this points out. Always looking for that 6'1 and taller freak to match up with the ever taller WRs in the NFL.

physically I look at arm length as much as height. It is a combo thing in my book.

Physical gifts can only cover up only so much

The huge thing is simple

God given traits: Reaction, Instincts and FIQ

Now when they figure out how to measure those, it is a crap shoot.

vpheughan · 10-07-2017, 07:49 AM

Philly is tapping the "New Orleans" pipeline!

Seer1 · 10-07-2017, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Wtf is PRob doing on there?! Lmao! Well we couldn't have been totally wrong. He went to the Chargers and Colts after us and did nothing. I think Philly has a DB whisperer. They need to promote that man.

Screw dat, we need to hire him!

K Major · 10-07-2017, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them.

He can only play against the teams in front of him on the schedule. Were you expecting a Patrick Peterson type performance? Some of us as fans have really unrealistic expectations from players at this level.

He'll be tested next week against Highland Park. Kind of early to be this critical on a guy whose performed well in his first two starts. Especially considering he went undrafted 2 short seasons ago.

WillMacKenzie · 10-07-2017, 03:13 PM

You have to Crawl before you can walk

blackangold · 10-07-2017, 03:33 PM

Doubt Ken keeps the number 1 spot, but he and Lattimore are killing it. It seems our DBs are all playing at a high level for the last 2 weeks.

Two thoughts still come to mind. Why did we play zone in the first two weeks? Why was Harris starting while Crawley wasn't even active?

Once again it appeared we out coached ourselves in the first two weeks, glad it got corrected.

Rugby Saint II · 10-07-2017, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by cars4dylan

Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. At his very worst though he's not D. Harris who got beat like a rented mule in the plays he was "covering" any slot, let alone the 1 or 2 WRs of Minnesota and New England.

And Patrick Robinson.....oh goodnes, certainly a worse 1st rnd pick than any other made in a long time....looooooooong time!

Having a bad day? Smoke a doobie and relax. Don't let it get you down man.

jeanpierre · 10-07-2017, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

Originally Posted by rezburna

That 5’11”-6’1” range is ideal in my opinion. Richard Sherman is 6’3”, but he benefits from a great scheme, elite safety help, and a quality pass rush. He’s susceptible to double moves and quicker receivers, and I think it’s because of his height. He doesn’t have a low enough center of gravity.

The days of Oakland Raiders type Cornerbacks being physical and flat whoopin' another man's arse are done in the NFL...

That said, the physicality required today is to be able to be available for 16 games, be able to physically jam a receiver at the line, and...

and, hope you play on a team with a pass rush that can get to the QB before the pass is sent to a WR bigger than you, breaking on a route before you...

Many HS running backs use to resent getting to college and getting converted to a DB...

But now it's evident that unless you're a Zeke Elliott or Alvin Kamara, for longevity, opportunity, and financial interests - today's NFL, you're better off being a DB...

The Dude · 10-07-2017, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It was Vitt that was doing Vicodin, not Payton. Can't you even get that right?

Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin.
If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind

AsylumGuido · 10-07-2017, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin.
If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind

Are you serious?

Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse

Not only was Vitt the one taking the Vicodin, but he also served in a 12 month pre-trial diversion program for stealing the drug. The whole deal about Payton was the media making incorrect assumptions when it was leaked an unnamed Saints coach was implicated.

You made this same mistake multiple times in the past and I have pointed out the true facts on each occasion.

10-07-2017, 05:05 AM	#21
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by WHODATINCA I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight? Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs I thought this article was interesting.... Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects \| Bleacher Report CB? I like taller CB 5'11" to 6'1" seems to be the best range as this points out. Always looking for that 6'1 and taller freak to match up with the ever taller WRs in the NFL. physically I look at arm length as much as height. It is a combo thing in my book. Physical gifts can only cover up only so much The huge thing is simple God given traits: Reaction, Instincts and FIQ Now when they figure out how to measure those, it is a crap shoot.

10-07-2017, 07:49 AM	#22
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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by jnormand Wtf is PRob doing on there?! Lmao! Well we couldn't have been totally wrong. He went to the Chargers and Colts after us and did nothing. I think Philly has a DB whisperer. They need to promote that man. Screw dat, we need to hire him!

10-07-2017, 01:12 PM	#24
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by cars4dylan Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it! He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. He can only play against the teams in front of him on the schedule. Were you expecting a Patrick Peterson type performance? Some of us as fans have really unrealistic expectations from players at this level. He'll be tested next week against Highland Park. Kind of early to be this critical on a guy whose performed well in his first two starts. Especially considering he went undrafted 2 short seasons ago. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and dizzle88 like this.

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10-07-2017, 03:33 PM	#26
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Doubt Ken keeps the number 1 spot, but he and Lattimore are killing it. It seems our DBs are all playing at a high level for the last 2 weeks. Two thoughts still come to mind. Why did we play zone in the first two weeks? Why was Harris starting while Crawley wasn't even active? Once again it appeared we out coached ourselves in the first two weeks, glad it got corrected.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by cars4dylan Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it! He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. At his very worst though he's not D. Harris who got beat like a rented mule in the plays he was "covering" any slot, let alone the 1 or 2 WRs of Minnesota and New England. And Patrick Robinson.....oh goodnes, certainly a worse 1st rnd pick than any other made in a long time....looooooooong time! Having a bad day? Smoke a doobie and relax. Don't let it get you down man. CharityMike likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by WHODATINCA I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight? Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs I thought this article was interesting.... Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects \| Bleacher Report Originally Posted by rezburna That 5’11”-6’1” range is ideal in my opinion. Richard Sherman is 6’3”, but he benefits from a great scheme, elite safety help, and a quality pass rush. He’s susceptible to double moves and quicker receivers, and I think it’s because of his height. He doesn’t have a low enough center of gravity. The days of Oakland Raiders type Cornerbacks being physical and flat whoopin' another man's arse are done in the NFL... That said, the physicality required today is to be able to be available for 16 games, be able to physically jam a receiver at the line, and... and, hope you play on a team with a pass rush that can get to the QB before the pass is sent to a WR bigger than you, breaking on a route before you... Many HS running backs use to resent getting to college and getting converted to a DB... But now it's evident that unless you're a Zeke Elliott or Alvin Kamara, for longevity, opportunity, and financial interests - today's NFL, you're better off being a DB...
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10-07-2017, 05:15 PM	#29
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It was Vitt that was doing Vicodin, not Payton. Can't you even get that right? Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin. If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Crawley the number one rated CB? Originally Posted by The Dude Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin. If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind Are you serious? Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse Not only was Vitt the one taking the Vicodin, but he also served in a 12 month pre-trial diversion program for stealing the drug. The whole deal about Payton was the media making incorrect assumptions when it was leaked an unnamed Saints coach was implicated. You made this same mistake multiple times in the past and I have pointed out the true facts on each occasion. WW_Who_Dat, CharityMike and K Major like this.

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