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SmashMouth 10-06-2017 08:15 AM

Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
New Orleans Saints CB Ken Crawley is PFF’s highest-graded cornerback through Week 4, even though he missed the first two games of the Saints. A big reason for Crawley’s success is his aggressiveness and the number of plays he makes on the ball. While he gave up eight receptions, the former Colorado player got his hands on three passes already, including an interception in the end zone against the Miami Dolphins.

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2...en-Crawley.png

Making plays on the ball was always part of Crawley’s game, as he broke up six passes last season; however, he has been able to elevate his game in 2017 by avoiding giving up big plays. He is yet to give up a reception for more than 20 yards so far, due largely to the fact that he has not missed a single tackle this season compared to his seven missed tackles in 2016.


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See on PFF

He's gonna want lots of $ now

I guess Breaux is a bench warmer now.

Former Saint Patrick Robinson is number 4? Where did we go wrong?

AsylumGuido 10-06-2017 08:20 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 768615)
New Orleans Saints CB Ken Crawley is PFF’s highest-graded cornerback through Week 4, even though he missed the first two games of the Saints. A big reason for Crawley’s success is his aggressiveness and the number of plays he makes on the ball. While he gave up eight receptions, the former Colorado player got his hands on three passes already, including an interception in the end zone against the Miami Dolphins.

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2...en-Crawley.png

Making plays on the ball was always part of Crawley’s game, as he broke up six passes last season; however, he has been able to elevate his game in 2017 by avoiding giving up big plays. He is yet to give up a reception for more than 20 yards so far, due largely to the fact that he has not missed a single tackle this season compared to his seven missed tackles in 2016.


https://media.profootballfocus.com/p.../nfl/11224.png

See on PFF

He's gonna want lots of $ now

I guess Breaux is a bench warmer now.

Former Saint Patrick Robinson is number 4? Where did we go wrong?

Perhaps it wasn't bad drafting. Perhaps it was bad positional coaching.

rezburna 10-06-2017 08:36 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 768615)
New Orleans Saints CB Ken Crawley is PFF’s highest-graded cornerback through Week 4, even though he missed the first two games of the Saints. A big reason for Crawley’s success is his aggressiveness and the number of plays he makes on the ball. While he gave up eight receptions, the former Colorado player got his hands on three passes already, including an interception in the end zone against the Miami Dolphins.

https://media.profootballfocus.com/2...en-Crawley.png

Making plays on the ball was always part of Crawley’s game, as he broke up six passes last season; however, he has been able to elevate his game in 2017 by avoiding giving up big plays. He is yet to give up a reception for more than 20 yards so far, due largely to the fact that he has not missed a single tackle this season compared to his seven missed tackles in 2016.


https://media.profootballfocus.com/p.../nfl/11224.png

See on PFF

He's gonna want lots of $ now

I guess Breaux is a bench warmer now.

Former Saint Patrick Robinson is number 4? Where did we go wrong?

We didn’t use Pat right. Another man corner.

ChrisXVI 10-06-2017 08:43 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Pretty small sample size, but very encouraging nonetheless. Looks like it's the Lattimore/Crawley show from here on out.

Halo 10-06-2017 08:46 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Patrick Robinson..... UGH!
Some of our best DB's seem to make their way to the Eagles.
They must love using us as their Juco for talent!!!!

Beastmode 10-06-2017 08:49 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
He's a play maker. That interception was skill and critical in the first half. We could be in the high teens on D by the end of the RS if this keeps up.

K Major 10-06-2017 08:52 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Highland Park (Stafford) is up next for Ken & co. Confidence building for Ken.

Keep grinding.

hagan714 10-06-2017 09:50 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Lets see what week 17 reveals. Other wise this is a good warm story for fans

73Saint 10-06-2017 09:57 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 768629)
Lets see what week 17 reveals. Other wise this is a good warm story for fans


Yep

jnormand 10-06-2017 10:23 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Wtf is PRob doing on there?! Lmao! Well we couldn't have been totally wrong. He went to the Chargers and Colts after us and did nothing. I think Philly has a DB whisperer. They need to promote that man.

It should be worth noting that he wasn't the worst CB we've had. He just wasn't that good. And he certainly wasn't first round good.

billyt81 10-06-2017 12:26 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
I keep saying Ken Crawley is real. His only flaw is that hes light. He can run. He has excellent hands and ball skills and he seems to be a fairly aggressive willing tackler. Of course hell never be a big hitter and bigger WRs could push him around sometimes but it appears that hes a fighter whos gonna make opponents earn whatever they get vs him as well as make em pay if they make a mistake. Hes one of those guys who believes every pass is his.

K Major 10-06-2017 12:34 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 768644)
Hes one of those guys who believes every pass is his.

Notice how he's turning his head around looking for the ball in year #2?

Aaron Glenn is coaching him up.

jeanpierre 10-06-2017 07:29 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 768645)
Notice how he's turning his head around looking for the ball in year #2? Aaron Glenn is coaching him up.

Funny you say that...


The Dude 10-06-2017 07:37 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 768619)
We didn’t use Pat right. Another man corner.

Look at Malcom Jenkens too. We had the players all along, Payton was just having too much fun popping Vicodin with his buddies to fire them.

AsylumGuido 10-06-2017 09:51 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 768679)
Look at Malcom Jenkens too. We had the players all along, Payton was just having too much fun popping Vicodin with his buddies to fire them.

It was Vitt that was doing Vicodin, not Payton. Can't you even get that right?

:rolleyes:

WHODATINCA 10-06-2017 11:11 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

cars4dylan 10-06-2017 11:30 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 768622)
He's a play maker. That interception was skill and critical in the first half. We could be in the high teens on D by the end of the RS if this keeps up.

Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. At his very worst though he's not D. Harris who got beat like a rented mule in the plays he was "covering" any slot, let alone the 1 or 2 WRs of Minnesota and New England.

And Patrick Robinson.....oh goodnes, certainly a worse 1st rnd pick than any other made in a long time....looooooooong time!

rezburna 10-07-2017 12:08 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 768691)
I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

That 5’11”-6’1” range is ideal in my opinion. Richard Sherman is 6’3”, but he benefits from a great scheme, elite safety help, and a quality pass rush. He’s susceptible to double moves and quicker receivers, and I think it’s because of his height. He doesn’t have a low enough center of gravity.

nola_swammi 10-07-2017 03:03 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 768691)
I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

If they don't have the height they must compensate by either vertical (preferable 40 inch), strength(15 or more bench press reps of 215) or high football IQ,,,,,,having speed don't hurt either but speed can be cover up by types of coverages. If you have all 4 you deserve a island

foreverfan 10-07-2017 03:22 AM

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NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Ken Crawley


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hagan714 10-07-2017 04:05 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 768691)
I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report


CB? I like taller CB 5'11" to 6'1" seems to be the best range as this points out. Always looking for that 6'1 and taller freak to match up with the ever taller WRs in the NFL.

physically I look at arm length as much as height. It is a combo thing in my book.

Physical gifts can only cover up only so much

The huge thing is simple

God given traits: Reaction, Instincts and FIQ

Now when they figure out how to measure those, it is a crap shoot.

vpheughan 10-07-2017 06:49 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Philly is tapping the "New Orleans" pipeline!

Seer1 10-07-2017 11:58 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 768635)
Wtf is PRob doing on there?! Lmao! Well we couldn't have been totally wrong. He went to the Chargers and Colts after us and did nothing. I think Philly has a DB whisperer. They need to promote that man.

Screw dat, we need to hire him!

K Major 10-07-2017 12:12 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 768692)
Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them.

He can only play against the teams in front of him on the schedule. Were you expecting a Patrick Peterson type performance? Some of us as fans have really unrealistic expectations from players at this level.

He'll be tested next week against Highland Park. Kind of early to be this critical on a guy whose performed well in his first two starts. Especially considering he went undrafted 2 short seasons ago.

WillMacKenzie 10-07-2017 02:13 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
You have to Crawl before you can walk

blackangold 10-07-2017 02:33 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Doubt Ken keeps the number 1 spot, but he and Lattimore are killing it. It seems our DBs are all playing at a high level for the last 2 weeks.

Two thoughts still come to mind. Why did we play zone in the first two weeks? Why was Harris starting while Crawley wasn't even active?

Once again it appeared we out coached ourselves in the first two weeks, glad it got corrected.

Rugby Saint II 10-07-2017 03:06 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 768692)
Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. At his very worst though he's not D. Harris who got beat like a rented mule in the plays he was "covering" any slot, let alone the 1 or 2 WRs of Minnesota and New England.

And Patrick Robinson.....oh goodnes, certainly a worse 1st rnd pick than any other made in a long time....looooooooong time!

Having a bad day? Smoke a doobie and relax. Don't let it get you down man. :smokin:

jeanpierre 10-07-2017 03:35 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA (Post 768691)
I have a question for the football hive-mind here: What are the ideal physical dimensions for a cornerback? Does height matter? Weight?

Darrell Revis: Height 5′ 11″, Weight 198 lbs
Richard Sherman: Height 6′ 3″, Weight 194 lbs
Chris Harris Jr.: Height 5′ 10″, Weight 198 lbs
Brandon Browner: Height 6′ 4″, Weight 220 lbs
Ken Crawley: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 180 lbs
Patrick Peterson: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 219 lbs
Aquib Taleb: Height 6′ 1″, Weight 205 lbs
Marcus Peters: Height 6′ 0″, Weight 196 lbs

I thought this article was interesting....
Why Being Short Doesn't Matter for Top Cornerback Prospects | Bleacher Report

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 768694)
That 5’11”-6’1” range is ideal in my opinion. Richard Sherman is 6’3”, but he benefits from a great scheme, elite safety help, and a quality pass rush. He’s susceptible to double moves and quicker receivers, and I think it’s because of his height. He doesn’t have a low enough center of gravity.

The days of Oakland Raiders type Cornerbacks being physical and flat whoopin' another man's arse are done in the NFL...

That said, the physicality required today is to be able to be available for 16 games, be able to physically jam a receiver at the line, and...

and, hope you play on a team with a pass rush that can get to the QB before the pass is sent to a WR bigger than you, breaking on a route before you...

Many HS running backs use to resent getting to college and getting converted to a DB...

But now it's evident that unless you're a Zeke Elliott or Alvin Kamara, for longevity, opportunity, and financial interests - today's NFL, you're better off being a DB...

The Dude 10-07-2017 04:15 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 768686)
It was Vitt that was doing Vicodin, not Payton. Can't you even get that right?

:rolleyes:

Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin.
If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind

AsylumGuido 10-07-2017 05:36 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 768749)
Were you there? Show me one article that says Vitt was "doing" Vicodin.
If you don't think Payton had issues with substance abuse you are blind

Are you serious?

Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse

Not only was Vitt the one taking the Vicodin, but he also served in a 12 month pre-trial diversion program for stealing the drug. The whole deal about Payton was the media making incorrect assumptions when it was leaked an unnamed Saints coach was implicated.

You made this same mistake multiple times in the past and I have pointed out the true facts on each occasion.

:rolleyes:

NonieT 10-07-2017 06:36 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 768692)
Oh, puhhhleease.....that interception was pure crap technique by a TE that didn't know the ball was coming his way that soon and a horrible throw by a wannabe commentator acting as a starting QB in the NFL. I only wish they had a close up of Crawley's face when that ball was thrown right to him, at least he caught it!

He's got some ball hawk-ish skills but he's got a lot to learn and if he'd been in the first 2 games his stats would be waaaaaay worse than this pic that is posted shows. The fact that the stats were achieved against two QBs not playing very well at the time of the games should skew how anyone looks at them. At his very worst though he's not D. Harris who got beat like a rented mule in the plays he was "covering" any slot, let alone the 1 or 2 WRs of Minnesota and New England.

And Patrick Robinson.....oh goodnes, certainly a worse 1st rnd pick than any other made in a long time....looooooooong time!

You tryin to say if the TE had been looking for the ball he might have caught it instead of Crawley? If Kuechly had caught that ball he would have picked Brees off. If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Almost doesn't count in the NFL. The announcer was right. He played that pass perfectly. It isn't his fault the TE wasn't looking for the ball and he made him pay for it, as he should have. You are right about one thing though, he's got a lot to learn. You need to give credit where credit is due. You have no idea what would have happened had he been in the first 2 games and neither does anyone else. Please retire your crystal ball. It isn't working.

AsylumGuido 10-07-2017 07:16 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 768757)
You tryin to say if the TE had been looking for the ball he might have caught it instead of Crawley? If Kuechly had caught that ball he would have picked Brees off. If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Almost doesn't count in the NFL. The announcer was right. He played that pass perfectly. It isn't his fault the TE wasn't looking for the ball and he made him pay for it, as he should have. You are right about one thing though, he's got a lot to learn. You need to give credit where credit is due. You have no idea what would have happened had he been in the first 2 games and neither does anyone else. Please retire your crystal ball. It isn't working.

If there was a "love the holy crap" out of that post I would have used it. Dead on Nonie!

The Dude 10-07-2017 09:10 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 768753)
Are you serious?

Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse

Not only was Vitt the one taking the Vicodin, but he also served in a 12 month pre-trial diversion program for stealing the drug. The whole deal about Payton was the media making incorrect assumptions when it was leaked an unnamed Saints coach was implicated.

You made this same mistake multiple times in the past and I have pointed out the true facts on each occasion.

:rolleyes:

Never said he popped them just aquired them. Multiple people including myself have seen Payton totally hammered in public. Again you take everything the media spoon feeds you as gospel.

Btw I know and am a member of the razor forum you are on. You know, the one where you tell people you don't like sports and whine about your cancer. I get PMs here daily about how much of a douch you are. You have nothing to offer other than a few links and belittling people. Even your so called friends here laugh behind your back. Go get another colonoscopy and get that lump of coal removed from your ass.

AsylumGuido 10-07-2017 09:32 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 768761)
Never said he popped them just aquired them. Multiple people including myself have seen Payton totally hammered in public. Again you take everything the media spoon feeds you as gospel.

Btw I know and am a member of the razor forum you are on. You know, the one where you tell people you don't like sports and whine about your cancer. I get PMs here daily about how much of a douch you are. You have nothing to offer other than a few links and belittling people. Even your so called friends here laugh behind your back. Go get another colonoscopy and get that lump of coal removed from your ass.

Oh, wow! Prove you wrong yet again and you start making fun of the fact that I suffered through colon cancer. So classy, dude. Sad. Very sad.

AsylumGuido 10-07-2017 09:38 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 768761)
Never said he popped them just aquired them. Multiple people including myself have seen Payton totally hammered in public. Again you take everything the media spoon feeds you as gospel.

Btw I know and am a member of the razor forum you are on. You know, the one where you tell people you don't like sports and whine about your cancer. I get PMs here daily about how much of a douch you are. You have nothing to offer other than a few links and belittling people. Even your so called friends here laugh behind your back. Go get another colonoscopy and get that lump of coal removed from your ass.

You are the one that is spoon fed by the media. You are too damned lazy to research things yourself. You are part of the problem with the mistaken media. You read something one time and from them on believe it is true when it has been proven different many times over. I don't know whether your problem is that you are too short sighted to see the truth, or you are too lazy to realize the truth or if you are so fixated on wanting to believe what you want to believe, true or not.

All are sad scenarios. Sad.

:(

Beastmode 10-07-2017 10:54 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
We need a cancer mudd pitt. Geez...come on.

AsylumGuido 10-07-2017 10:58 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 768768)
We need a cancer mudd pitt. Geez...come on.

I know. What's his problem?

hagan714 10-08-2017 05:46 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 768753)

Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse

what falling in love with pain killers to continue making millions of dollars a year?

Sounds like any other profession that requires physical work. Football players are no different nor are they special because they are football players.

Football is a safer profession than many others out there.

Life time insurance would help with rehab or keep the pills rolling in. But they voted it down for more money in their wallet They care about themselves and not about the health of their fellow players. Standing arm in arm yeah right. what a load of crap.

They care about the money not each other and much less about anything else.

so why should I care? Your barking up the wrong tree. I don't.

Man up an except the dangers of the profession you pick and the decisions you make.

Enough with the whining and crying already.

turbo_dog 10-08-2017 09:50 AM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 768753)
Are you serious?

Pain management in NFL spawns culture of prescription drug abuse

Not only was Vitt the one taking the Vicodin, but he also served in a 12 month pre-trial diversion program for stealing the drug. The whole deal about Payton was the media making incorrect assumptions when it was leaked an unnamed Saints coach was implicated.

You made this same mistake multiple times in the past and I have pointed out the true facts on each occasion.

:rolleyes:

Somehow I've never seen this article. It's disturbing to say the least, and makes me a little sick to my stomach. Why did it have to be the 2009 season?! And why the hell did it take so long to get rid of that guy?

The Dude 10-08-2017 09:19 PM

Re: Crawley the number one rated CB?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 768764)
You are the one that is spoon fed by the media. You are too damned lazy to research things yourself. You are part of the problem with the mistaken media. You read something one time and from them on believe it is true when it has been proven different many times over. I don't know whether your problem is that you are too short sighted to see the truth, or you are too lazy to realize the truth or if you are so fixated on wanting to believe what you want to believe, true or not.

All are sad scenarios. Sad.

:(

No, I read and process real media and make a logical decision on where I stand based on facts. You are always quoting sports media which is entertainment media. Just like TMZ or whatever except it's about sports and not pop culture and movie stars. I still don't see where it says anything about Vitt injesting the pills. Payton isn't stupid, he knows what goes on around there and as head coach it's his job to set and maintain the culture of the team.
I also don't need to read about Payton. I've seen him plastered in public many many times.


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