Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck

saintfan · 10-25-2017, 03:22 PM

If they had an award for the comeback coordinator of the year in the NFL, Dennis Allen would have to be running away with it.

The New Orleans Saints' defense had turned into a punchline in recent years -- and it was again through the first two weeks of this season. But now it is delivering knockout blows, as the Saints (4-2) have won four straight games to emerge as one of the league's hottest teams.

But as you might have guessed, Allen isn't preparing any sort of acceptance speech.

"I know for me, specifically, I'm not looking for any type of validation," said Allen, who has been on the job since late in the 2015 season, when he took over after Rob Ryan was fired. "My focus is really all about, 'How do we play better as a defense and how do we continue to improve?' That's really all this is about.

"The thing about the NFL is the best teams are the most consistent teams. And that's really what my focus [is] and what our focus is as a team."

New Orleans Saints' Dennis Allen might be comeback coordinator of year - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

jeanpierre · 10-25-2017, 04:19 PM

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

saintfan · 10-25-2017, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

I actually got on the show "Late Hits" (Sirius XM) and got to talk on the air with Gil Brandt. My question to him was simply "is the Saints defense for real?"

His answer was yes. He mentioned some players but settled in on Dennis Allen AND Mike Nolan as the keys, and he went on a little extra about Nolan saying that he might just be the real difference maker.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2017, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I actually got on the show "Late Hits" (Sirius XM) and got to talk on the air with Gil Brandt. My question to him was simply "is the Saints defense for real?"

His answer was yes. He mentioned some players but settled in on Dennis Allen AND Mike Nolan as the keys, and he went on a little extra about Nolan saying that he might just be the real difference maker.

Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now...

We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"...

RockyMountainSaint · 10-28-2017, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now...

We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"...

It is also addition by subtraction.
Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here.

RailBoss · 10-28-2017, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

It is also addition by subtraction.
Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here.

This is very true..

Seer1 · 10-25-2017, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

Although I'm liking Allen's schemes right now. The question is will he get too predictable further on down the road?

hitta · 10-25-2017, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

I don't think that's exactly fair to Allen. There is so truth to what you are saying, I think those things you mention are very important to where we are now... but our D wouldn't be playing like this unless we were getting good play selection and schemes from our D coordinator.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2017, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

I don't think that's exactly fair to Allen. There is so truth to what you are saying, I think those things you mention are very important to where we are now... but our D wouldn't be playing like this unless we were getting good play selection and schemes from our D coordinator.

No Truth? Differences between last year and this year - Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen, Healthy CB depth? How are those not truths???

hagan714 · 10-28-2017, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

These are all Dennis Allens guys. I hold the Coordinators responsible and give credit to them more than most. The FO does not go out and just hire coaches nor add players without a huge amount of approval from the those Coordinators that have to work with them. This includes the draft.

Allen is far from done with rebuilding the mess Ryan left behind. Adding players and getting players head screwed on straight takes time.

Year 3 will be adding a few additional key pieces and improving the bench. Expect improvement on defense but more so in special teams play.

Year 4 should be the hallmark years for DA. Fine tuning time

Year 5 is the hitting on all cylinders year.

10-25-2017, 03:22 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck If they had an award for the comeback coordinator of the year in the NFL, Dennis Allen would have to be running away with it. The New Orleans Saints' defense had turned into a punchline in recent years -- and it was again through the first two weeks of this season. But now it is delivering knockout blows, as the Saints (4-2) have won four straight games to emerge as one of the league's hottest teams. But as you might have guessed, Allen isn't preparing any sort of acceptance speech. "I know for me, specifically, I'm not looking for any type of validation," said Allen, who has been on the job since late in the 2015 season, when he took over after Rob Ryan was fired. "My focus is really all about, 'How do we play better as a defense and how do we continue to improve?' That's really all this is about. "The thing about the NFL is the best teams are the most consistent teams. And that's really what my focus [is] and what our focus is as a team." New Orleans Saints' Dennis Allen might be comeback coordinator of year - New Orleans Saints Blog- ESPN

10-25-2017, 04:19 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs... RockyMountainSaint, Tobias-Reiper, nola_swammi and 5 others like this.

10-25-2017, 04:52 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs... I actually got on the show "Late Hits" (Sirius XM) and got to talk on the air with Gil Brandt. My question to him was simply "is the Saints defense for real?" His answer was yes. He mentioned some players but settled in on Dennis Allen AND Mike Nolan as the keys, and he went on a little extra about Nolan saying that he might just be the real difference maker. RockyMountainSaint, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

10-25-2017, 09:08 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by saintfan I actually got on the show "Late Hits" (Sirius XM) and got to talk on the air with Gil Brandt. My question to him was simply "is the Saints defense for real?" His answer was yes. He mentioned some players but settled in on Dennis Allen AND Mike Nolan as the keys, and he went on a little extra about Nolan saying that he might just be the real difference maker. Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now... We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"... RockyMountainSaint and Seer1 like this.

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RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now... We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"... It is also addition by subtraction. Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here. RailBoss and jeanpierre like this.

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RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint It is also addition by subtraction. Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here. This is very true.. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs... Although I'm liking Allen's schemes right now. The question is will he get too predictable further on down the road?

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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs... I don't think that's exactly fair to Allen. There is so truth to what you are saying, I think those things you mention are very important to where we are now... but our D wouldn't be playing like this unless we were getting good play selection and schemes from our D coordinator.
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10-25-2017, 09:26 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by hitta I don't think that's exactly fair to Allen. There is so truth to what you are saying, I think those things you mention are very important to where we are now... but our D wouldn't be playing like this unless we were getting good play selection and schemes from our D coordinator. No Truth? Differences between last year and this year - Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen, Healthy CB depth? How are those not truths??? K Major likes this.

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