Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck

hagan714 · 10-28-2017, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs...

These are all Dennis Allens guys. I hold the Coordinators responsible and give credit to them more than most. The FO does not go out and just hire coaches nor add players without a huge amount of approval from the those Coordinators that have to work with them. This includes the draft.

Allen is far from done with rebuilding the mess Ryan left behind. Adding players and getting players head screwed on straight takes time.

Year 3 will be adding a few additional key pieces and improving the bench. Expect improvement on defense but more so in special teams play.

Year 4 should be the hallmark years for DA. Fine tuning time

Year 5 is the hitting on all cylinders year.

Euphoria · 10-28-2017, 09:24 AM

I am glad we waited on DA and not fire him as we did the other coaches. I think a lesson to be learned here is have a plan to improve the areas that needed improving. Better talent in key areas. Have a plan. Stick with it.

The other coaches didn't seem to have a plan and didn't seem to have an answer.

Lord_Saint83 · 10-28-2017, 09:48 AM

Allen might be part of the solution but i think glenn deserves more credit. He has that secondary playing way better than before. Our pass rush still isnt great but ive seen a good bit of coverage sacks this year cause the secondary is blanketing receivers alot better than before. Also we are finally picking ball off way more from the past cpl of years. I guess thats whats happens when you have a multi time pro bowl corner as your secondary coach instead of so joe blow like mcgriff.

SmashMouth · 10-28-2017, 10:32 AM

RockyMountainSaint · 10-28-2017, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now...

We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"...

It is also addition by subtraction.
Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here.

RailBoss · 10-28-2017, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

It is also addition by subtraction.
Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here.

This is very true..

Rugby Saint II · 10-28-2017, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

These are all Dennis Allens guys. I hold the Coordinators responsible and give credit to them more than most. The FO does not go out and just hire coaches nor add players without a huge amount of approval from the those Coordinators that have to work with them. This includes the draft.

Allen is far from done with rebuilding the mess Ryan left behind. Adding players and getting players head screwed on straight takes time.

Year 3 will be adding a few additional key pieces and improving the bench. Expect improvement on defense but more so in special teams play.

Year 4 should be the hallmark years for DA. Fine tuning time

Year 5 is the hitting on all cylinders year.

I was hoping for something a little quicker than that time frame.

hagan714 · 10-29-2017, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I was hoping for something a little quicker than that time frame.

Mine are Max time frames

I give DA the same time frame I give rookies to earn that new contract. 4 to 5 years.
At 3 I give that gel time 12 games
At 4 I will be impatient.
At 5 I will be ballistic.

I am expecting big things going into December this year. The word unit will apply to the defense and needs will be easy to see. Miss assignments will be minimized. Staying health will govern it all I know.

vpheughan · 10-29-2017, 09:55 AM

In MHO, that's right MY HUMBLE OPINION!!!!! I'm telling you! I'm HUMBLE!!!! YOU DON'T SEE ME CALLING ATTENTION TO MYSELF!!! THAT'S BECAUSE I'M HUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE BEARS ARE WHAT WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!

10-28-2017, 04:43 AM	#11
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10-28-2017, 08:46 AM	#12
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre With all due respect, the improvements in the defense are more of a 50/50 between the hirings of Mike Nolan, Ryan Nielsen and the relative good health of the CBs... These are all Dennis Allens guys. I hold the Coordinators responsible and give credit to them more than most. The FO does not go out and just hire coaches nor add players without a huge amount of approval from the those Coordinators that have to work with them. This includes the draft. Allen is far from done with rebuilding the mess Ryan left behind. Adding players and getting players head screwed on straight takes time. Year 3 will be adding a few additional key pieces and improving the bench. Expect improvement on defense but more so in special teams play. Year 4 should be the hallmark years for DA. Fine tuning time Year 5 is the hitting on all cylinders year.
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10-28-2017, 09:24 AM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck I am glad we waited on DA and not fire him as we did the other coaches. I think a lesson to be learned here is have a plan to improve the areas that needed improving. Better talent in key areas. Have a plan. Stick with it. The other coaches didn't seem to have a plan and didn't seem to have an answer. RailBoss likes this.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Allen might be part of the solution but i think glenn deserves more credit. He has that secondary playing way better than before. Our pass rush still isnt great but ive seen a good bit of coverage sacks this year cause the secondary is blanketing receivers alot better than before. Also we are finally picking ball off way more from the past cpl of years. I guess thats whats happens when you have a multi time pro bowl corner as your secondary coach instead of so joe blow like mcgriff. RockyMountainSaint and Tobias-Reiper like this.

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RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by jeanpierre Mike Nolan has coached HOF LBers at both the collegiate and national football league levels; he's probably forgotten more than DA knows right now... We just had to surround DA with coaches with proven pedigrees and not neptotistic re-tread NFL "Family"... It is also addition by subtraction. Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here. RailBoss and jeanpierre like this.

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RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint It is also addition by subtraction. Not that matters in the grand scheme, but I will never forgive Payton for the wasted years he created by keeping his buddies around here. This is very true.. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by hagan714 These are all Dennis Allens guys. I hold the Coordinators responsible and give credit to them more than most. The FO does not go out and just hire coaches nor add players without a huge amount of approval from the those Coordinators that have to work with them. This includes the draft. Allen is far from done with rebuilding the mess Ryan left behind. Adding players and getting players head screwed on straight takes time. Year 3 will be adding a few additional key pieces and improving the bench. Expect improvement on defense but more so in special teams play. Year 4 should be the hallmark years for DA. Fine tuning time Year 5 is the hitting on all cylinders year. I was hoping for something a little quicker than that time frame. hagan714 likes this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Dennis Allen Doesn't Suck Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I was hoping for something a little quicker than that time frame. Mine are Max time frames I give DA the same time frame I give rookies to earn that new contract. 4 to 5 years. At 3 I give that gel time 12 games At 4 I will be impatient. At 5 I will be ballistic. I am expecting big things going into December this year. The word unit will apply to the defense and needs will be easy to see. Miss assignments will be minimized. Staying health will govern it all I know.

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