What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins

SmashMouth · 11-19-2017, 03:50 PM

That we CAN come back and win it.

Character team building long playoff capable win.

Without Lattimore, our defense is noticeably weaker...

Lutz can kick game winners!

That's it's not over until IT"S OVER!

WhoDat!

SmashMouth · 11-19-2017, 03:59 PM

Quarterback
Drew Brees took far more of a beating than in the previous few weeks. Brees made some nice throws, but couldn’t connect some others. This wasn’t the day Brees could put the team on his back and pull the Saints to victory ... until it was. He went full-throttle Brees for consecutive touchdown drives in the fourth quarter to force overtime.
Grade: A

Running back
Mark Ingram ran as hard as he possibly could to keep the Saints in the game. Alvin Kamara produced a couple of explosive plays. And he also made the amazing happen with the juggling touchdown reception and the two-point conversion.
Grade: A plus

Wide receiver
Ted Ginn Jr. has become one of the more consistent receivers on the Saints. Michael Thomas again came up with a few tough catches. The unit came up huge down the stretch.
Grade: B

Tight end
Coby Fleener hauled in a handful of big time receptions (five catches, 90 yards), and Josh Hill caught a TD. I still like what I saw from Hill and Michael Hoomanawanui with their blocking in the ground game.
Grade: B plus

Offensive line
The front five surrendered more pressure on Brees for the first time in quite a while. I saw some missed assignments from just about everyone along the offensive front. The Redskins overwhelmed Ryan Ramczyk too often.
Grade: B-minus

Defensive line
Cam Jordan and friends couldn’t provide too much pressure on Kirk Cousins. The Saints failed to record a quarterback hit on Cousins in the first half. The front line also found issues slowing down Redskins backup tailback Samaje Perine, who rushed for more than 100 yards. The unit kept it together late in the game, though, including a Cam Jordan sack in overtime.
Grade: C

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-19-2017, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

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Without Lattimore, our defense is noticeably weaker...

More than that. This game clearly showed why Lattimore, Klein, and Vaccaro all make the defense work. Remember that Harris started the first two games. Saw the same busted coverages as in the first two games. I love Mauti's grit. But it simply isn't Klein's talent.

Scheme can only do so much. We need the physical and mental talents of our missing starters for our defense to be effective.

Hope we see them all back soon.

SFIAH

Crusader · 11-19-2017, 04:11 PM

ChrisXVI · 11-19-2017, 04:16 PM

Why does De’Vante Harris STILL NOT KNOW WHO TO COVER?!?!

K Major · 11-19-2017, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Why does De’Vante Harris STILL NOT KNOW WHO TO COVER?!?!

He's a big time liability out there. Just like he was vs Minn and NE.

Danno · 11-19-2017, 04:20 PM

Some kudos

Fleener - Thats what we'd hope to see every game since we signed him.

Klein, Okafor and Lattimore are key players we need down the stretch

Ingram-looks like another #22 that played for the Cowboys a while back

Kamara-this kid is freaking special, even more special than most of us know.

Payton-It looks like he has the fire and passion that was missing the last few years.

Drew doesn't look a day over 30.

This team has chemistry and character. Its so 2009!!!

Crusader · 11-19-2017, 04:27 PM

The Saints played a crappy game for 3½ quarters and the boom. This is a group with a lot of grit and fight in 'em. I have said it before but they genuinly seem to be playing for each other and caring about oneanother.

Barry from MS · 11-19-2017, 04:43 PM

Glad they shutdown Lattimore...need him later down the stretch. Klein was hugely missed today. Only gripes would be wanting to see Rankins flash more on passing downs. Harris should be bagging groceries tomorrow, if only he could locate the bags and the groceries.

But we're just a good team...hasn't been that for awhile. Great W.

hagan714 · 11-20-2017, 03:50 AM

You have to find ways to win the ugly games and we did

Klien is the captain of the Defense we have long missed.
The LB corp does not look to too bad as a group but youth is always welcomed.
Football IQ is the most over looked trait at LB.

I am not as worried about DE as I was in 2016
Cameron Jordan Alex Okafor and Trey Hendrickson have the looks of the solution.

(1) Rankins needs help.
He can not stand up to double teams.
Our other DT can not maintain their gap assignments in one on one blocking
Opposing OL are stilling running free at the second level sealing off LBers
A sand in the pants DT that eats up double and still plays 3 to 5 yards behind the line and still excels against the run, is a huge void on the DL. Prefer a proven young veteran to free up Rankins, Jordan and keep the LB cleans.

DaQuan Jones (25) DT/DE Titians 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 - $2/4 M

(2) KV is a unique player and one that is hard to replace.
Bell is a vastly inferior version of KV
Saints have a huge need for a modern day SS that can help Williams in the back end.

-Can Drew and the front office pull a wabbit from the hat for a proven vet?
Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers 6013 209 4.51 Green Bay 4/$32M
-Up and coming?
Eric Reid FS/SS San Fransisco 6012 213 4.53 Rd 1 2013 4 / $32M
-Draft?
Ronnie Harrison SS/OLB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr

(3) With Lattimore out, it exposed how truly shallow the CB group is.
Many have dismissed the injury to Breaux and the impact to the CB unit. Some have forgotten how good he is.
We are 3 deep at CB (Breaux Lattimore Crawley) and the rest are on the bubble

Draft/FA at least 4 new faces at CB
-Can Drew and the front office pull a wabbit from the hat?
Kyle Fuller CB Bears 5116 190 4.40 1st Round 2014 - $8/10 M
- Draft? One of Bamas starting 3 would help
Anthony Averett, CB/FS/WR Alabama 5115 185 4.43 #28 rSr
Levi Wallace CB/FS Alanama 5111 185 4.45 #39 Sr
Tony Brown CB/FS/SS Alabama 5116 198 4.38 #2 Sr

Conclusion?

DaQuan Jones would make the front 7 hum

Morgan Burnett would solidify the secondary much like Darren Sharper did for the saints.

Draft Ronnie Harrison to learn from Burnett how to become a modern day SS in the NFL. Harrison plays the slot extremely well already. Harrison's skill set is much the same as Burnett. Both can play multiply rolls in the secondary. Instant upgrade across the board.

We are close but as this game showed we still have a way to go.

11-19-2017, 04:11 PM	#4
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Why does De’Vante Harris STILL NOT KNOW WHO TO COVER?!?! hagan714, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Why does De’Vante Harris STILL NOT KNOW WHO TO COVER?!?! He's a big time liability out there. Just like he was vs Minn and NE. Rugby Saint II likes this.

11-19-2017, 04:20 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Some kudos Fleener - Thats what we'd hope to see every game since we signed him. Klein, Okafor and Lattimore are key players we need down the stretch Ingram-looks like another #22 that played for the Cowboys a while back Kamara-this kid is freaking special, even more special than most of us know. Payton-It looks like he has the fire and passion that was missing the last few years. Drew doesn't look a day over 30. This team has chemistry and character. Its so 2009!!! Halo, saintfan, jnormand and 5 others like this.

11-19-2017, 04:27 PM	#8
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,030	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins The Saints played a crappy game for 3½ quarters and the boom. This is a group with a lot of grit and fight in 'em. I have said it before but they genuinly seem to be playing for each other and caring about oneanother. Halo, SaintFanInATLHELL and hagan714 like this.

11-19-2017, 03:50 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins That we CAN come back and win it. Character team building long playoff capable win. Without Lattimore, our defense is noticeably weaker... Lutz can kick game winners! That's it's not over until IT"S OVER! WhoDat! Halo, hagan714 and pumpkindriver like this.

11-19-2017, 03:59 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Quarterback Drew Brees took far more of a beating than in the previous few weeks. Brees made some nice throws, but couldn’t connect some others. This wasn’t the day Brees could put the team on his back and pull the Saints to victory ... until it was. He went full-throttle Brees for consecutive touchdown drives in the fourth quarter to force overtime. Grade: A Running back Mark Ingram ran as hard as he possibly could to keep the Saints in the game. Alvin Kamara produced a couple of explosive plays. And he also made the amazing happen with the juggling touchdown reception and the two-point conversion. Grade: A plus Wide receiver Ted Ginn Jr. has become one of the more consistent receivers on the Saints. Michael Thomas again came up with a few tough catches. The unit came up huge down the stretch. Grade: B Tight end Coby Fleener hauled in a handful of big time receptions (five catches, 90 yards), and Josh Hill caught a TD. I still like what I saw from Hill and Michael Hoomanawanui with their blocking in the ground game. Grade: B plus Offensive line The front five surrendered more pressure on Brees for the first time in quite a while. I saw some missed assignments from just about everyone along the offensive front. The Redskins overwhelmed Ryan Ramczyk too often. Grade: B-minus Defensive line Cam Jordan and friends couldn’t provide too much pressure on Kirk Cousins. The Saints failed to record a quarterback hit on Cousins in the first half. The front line also found issues slowing down Redskins backup tailback Samaje Perine, who rushed for more than 100 yards. The unit kept it together late in the game, though, including a Cam Jordan sack in overtime. Grade: C read more from Larry Holder foreverfan and Rugby Saint II like this.

11-19-2017, 04:07 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Originally Posted by SmashMouth ... Without Lattimore, our defense is noticeably weaker... More than that. This game clearly showed why Lattimore, Klein, and Vaccaro all make the defense work. Remember that Harris started the first two games. Saw the same busted coverages as in the first two games. I love Mauti's grit. But it simply isn't Klein's talent. Scheme can only do so much. We need the physical and mental talents of our missing starters for our defense to be effective. Hope we see them all back soon. SFIAH hagan714, foreverfan, ScottF and 3 others like this.

11-19-2017, 04:43 PM	#9
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins Glad they shutdown Lattimore...need him later down the stretch. Klein was hugely missed today. Only gripes would be wanting to see Rankins flash more on passing downs. Harris should be bagging groceries tomorrow, if only he could locate the bags and the groceries. But we're just a good team...hasn't been that for awhile. Great W. hagan714 likes this.

11-20-2017, 03:50 AM	#10
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What we learned from Saints' comeback win against the Redskins You have to find ways to win the ugly games and we did Klien is the captain of the Defense we have long missed. The LB corp does not look to too bad as a group but youth is always welcomed. Football IQ is the most over looked trait at LB. I am not as worried about DE as I was in 2016 Cameron Jordan Alex Okafor and Trey Hendrickson have the looks of the solution. (1) Rankins needs help. He can not stand up to double teams. Our other DT can not maintain their gap assignments in one on one blocking Opposing OL are stilling running free at the second level sealing off LBers A sand in the pants DT that eats up double and still plays 3 to 5 yards behind the line and still excels against the run, is a huge void on the DL. Prefer a proven young veteran to free up Rankins, Jordan and keep the LB cleans. DaQuan Jones (25) DT/DE Titians 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 - $2/4 M (2) KV is a unique player and one that is hard to replace. Bell is a vastly inferior version of KV Saints have a huge need for a modern day SS that can help Williams in the back end. -Can Drew and the front office pull a wabbit from the hat for a proven vet? Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB Packers 6013 209 4.51 Green Bay 4/$32M -Up and coming? Eric Reid FS/SS San Fransisco 6012 213 4.53 Rd 1 2013 4 / $32M -Draft? Ronnie Harrison SS/OLB Alabama 6011 214 4.54 #15 Jr (3) With Lattimore out, it exposed how truly shallow the CB group is. Many have dismissed the injury to Breaux and the impact to the CB unit. Some have forgotten how good he is. We are 3 deep at CB (Breaux Lattimore Crawley) and the rest are on the bubble Draft/FA at least 4 new faces at CB -Can Drew and the front office pull a wabbit from the hat? Kyle Fuller CB Bears 5116 190 4.40 1st Round 2014 - $8/10 M - Draft? One of Bamas starting 3 would help Anthony Averett, CB/FS/WR Alabama 5115 185 4.43 #28 rSr Levi Wallace CB/FS Alanama 5111 185 4.45 #39 Sr Tony Brown CB/FS/SS Alabama 5116 198 4.38 #2 Sr Conclusion? DaQuan Jones would make the front 7 hum Morgan Burnett would solidify the secondary much like Darren Sharper did for the saints. Draft Ronnie Harrison to learn from Burnett how to become a modern day SS in the NFL. Harrison plays the slot extremely well already. Harrison's skill set is much the same as Burnett. Both can play multiply rolls in the secondary. Instant upgrade across the board. We are close but as this game showed we still have a way to go. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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