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The Dude 12-03-2017 11:31 PM

We beat the Falcons once and win the division right?
 
We swept Carolina who already has a win over the Falcons so the best they can do is split with them.
I guess if we lose to Bucs, Falcons beat Carolina then maybe it would put them in front place?

billyt81 12-03-2017 11:45 PM

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This week we put a nice stranglehold on the division. Thank you Vikings! We look great. Seattle proved Philly is mortal. Looking at the NFC if you see the world through Black and Gold goggles like I do you gotta love our chances.

SmashMouth 12-03-2017 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 780220)
We swept Carolina who already has a win over the Falcons so the best they can do is split with them.
I guess if we lose to Bucs, Falcons beat Carolina then maybe it would put them in front place?

That all depends if you get a piece of arse before the game. :bng:

RailBoss 12-04-2017 12:18 AM

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Halo 12-04-2017 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 780222)
This week we put a nice stranglehold on the division. Thank you Vikings! We look great. Seattle proved Philly is mortal. Looking at the NFC if you see the world through Black and Gold goggles like I do you gotta love our chances.

Philly looked awful tonight. I wasn't impressed by their QB in the least bit. Their o-line was totally exploited by a depleted Seahawks defense.

SaintFanInATLHELL 12-04-2017 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 780220)
We swept Carolina who already has a win over the Falcons so the best they can do is split with them.
I guess if we lose to Bucs, Falcons beat Carolina then maybe it would put them in front place?

It's not that cut and dried. First here are the first 4 tiebreakers for 2 teams in the same division from https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules...ng-procedures/:

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1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference
Applying these to the Kitties and the Chokers at this minute:

Kitties: loses #1 to saints. So their only option is to finish a game ahead of the Saints. Any three Saints wins down the stretch eliminates them from contention. A 2-2 split on the Saints part would require a 4 game run from the Kitties or 3-1 and both Saints losses to be division losses for them to have a chance.

Chokers: Plunking one on the Chokers Thursday puts them out the running. The head to head is gone because a Saints win eliminates any possible sweep for the Chokers and they are 3 games back with 3 to play.

Now on to the three way tie:
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Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after a third club or other clubs are eliminated during any step, the tiebreaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format.)

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs)
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference
5. Strength of victory
6. Strength of schedule
There are only two realistic three way ties: 11-5 and 10-6. 11-5 can only happen if the Chokers win out (and pigs fly). That gives the Chokers 4 division wins down the stretch, two division losses to the Saints along with a win (Bucs), with sweeps by the Saints over the Panthers, along with the Chokers having sweeping the Saints and the Bucs, leaving them at 5-1 in the division and 3-1 (0.750) record among the clubs, 2-2 for the Saints, and 1-3 for the Kitties. This is the worst case scenario. At 10-6 it remains the same if the sole loss is to the Bucs. But if either the Saints or the Kitties win plunk that single loss then the head to head drops the Chokers to 2-2 for #1 coupled with either 3-1 or 2-2 for the Saints with the Kitties either 2-2 (kitties win against Chokers) or 1-3 (kitties lose to Chokers). If all three end up 2-2 then it goes to common games. Chokers would be 8-6, Kitties 10-4, And Saints also 10-4. Chokers are dropped out and back to 2 teams head to head, which the Saints win over the Kitties. Also 9-7 is possible but unlikely with the Saints stuck, the Chokers going 2-2 with the 2 wins over the Saints, and the Kitties 1-3 with the sole win against the Chokers. Kitties end up 2-2 in the round robin, Saints 2-2, and the Chokers 3-1.

Note that for most of these scenarios to be viable it requires the Bucs to beat one or more of the other division contenders. They are currently 0-3 and not looking too good.

Bottom line is that it's still a mess. A win Thursday cleans up most everything leaving the Saints with 10 wins with the Chokers 3 games behind and 2 games behind in the division standings with 3 to go. The easiest way to clean it up is to win the next 3 games. That secures the NFC South without question leaving the Saints 5-0 in the division and sweeps over both the Kitties and the Chokers. Then life would be as good as my signature.

SFIAH

CheramieIII 12-04-2017 03:46 AM

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Just take care of business and don't worry about all the different scenarios. Deja Vu someone said that before!

spkb25 12-04-2017 04:49 AM

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We win Thursday and it makes it hard for the Falcons to make the playoffs and would make it really difficult for us to lose the division. We would have 3 games to go and would have to lose 2 of those 3 and the panties would have to win all of their remaining games. So a win this week gets as close to a sure thing as possible. We need lattimore back and as healthy an oline as possible. We will get the falcons best game possible. Lose and their all but done

ScottF 12-04-2017 06:44 AM

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A win doesn't give us the division, but gives us a huge 3 game lead in the wildcard.
This week is also the panthers' turn to get their asses kicked by the Vikings, and they have the Falcons last day of the season

Budsdrinker 12-04-2017 07:53 AM

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Just because you win all your division games doesn't mean you win the division. You still have to have a better overall record than any other team in your division. Division wins are used as the tie breaker. Now if we did go 6-0 in the division we would be division champs because no one could have a better record this year.

Beastmode 12-04-2017 08:10 AM

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Vikings secondary is tough. Panthers will be saying next year next week.

K Major 12-04-2017 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 780268)
Vikings secondary is tough.

Linebackers as well. This is a complete team on defense.

dam1953 12-04-2017 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 780277)
Linebackers as well. This is a complete team on defense.

Agree. But the Saints offense had changed dramatically since game 1. We now have a two headed monster and the Vikes could expect to get a heavy dose of Kamara. Consider that the Panther's also "had" a top rated run D and Kamara made them look pretty average last night. The Saints rushed for ~150 yards last night, nearly 2x what Carolina had been allowing.

Watching some of Kamara's runs almost makes me feed sorry for the people trying to tackle him. Almost, but not quite.

The kid is pretty special and he should extend Bree's career by a few years. Anytime you can dump a pass behind the line of scrimmage and have the back turn it into a 10-20 yard gain or TD, it helps the QB stats.

hitta 12-04-2017 11:18 AM

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Thanks to Seattle the door is open for a potential 1st round bye. We'll need some help, but our chances aren't horribly bad anymore.

|Mitch| 12-04-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 780291)
Thanks to Seattle the door is open for a potential 1st round bye. We'll need some help, but our chances aren't horribly bad anymore.

Killed two birds with one stone; helps us and hurt the Falcons playoff chances even more...

foreverfan 12-04-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 780224)
That all depends if you get a piece of arse before the game. :bng:

Something tells me I get most Puzzy.

hagan714 12-04-2017 11:55 AM

Re: We beat the Falcons once and win the division right?
 
we came out with a win and healthy, so that is a win win

Now lets get back our other starting CB and add another win going into Thursday night game against Atlanta.

Thursday is all that matters.

Putting a nail in the falcons season on the road in front of their fans would be a huge point of joy in my life.

Tobias-Reiper 12-04-2017 01:18 PM

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This week, if Rams, Panthers, and Saints win, the Saints become the #1 seed with 3 games to go.
Last 3 games:
vs Jets
vs Clowns
@ Bucs

vpheughan 12-04-2017 01:49 PM

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Better revenge. NFC Championship in Minnesota. Saints win then win the Super Bowl in YEP Minnesota!!!

ScottF 12-04-2017 02:12 PM

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NFL Playoff Picture - NFL.com

Vikings have it pretty easy the rest of the way, and the Eagles only face one team with a winning record. We pretty much need to win out or go 3-1 and hope for upsets.
I would not be surprised to see Seattle win that division

dizzle88 12-04-2017 03:47 PM

Re: We beat the Falcons once and win the division right?
 
The Vikings D has playmakers on every level, that is why their D is so dangerous.

Whilst our D is good and much improved, when I looked at real "impact" players, the two that immediately stand out are Lattimore and Jordan.

The Vikings have Everson Griffin, Kendricks and Barr at LB, Xavier Rhodes and Harrison Smith. Pro bowl talent at every level.

I have confidence we are building a fantastic team, keep doing great work Mr Ireland.


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