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SmashMouth 12-07-2017 10:28 PM

What we learned from our loss on Thursday night
 
Too many injuries costs us.

Refs had a penchant for calling flags against the Saints.

Our destiny is in our hands, still.

hagan714 12-07-2017 10:33 PM

Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night
 
despite the rash of of injuries and the multiple ticky tack calls against us. drew had a chance to do his thing. He forced it and we lost.

I hate to whine but that was definitely one of the most one sided reefed games I have seen in a long time.

Did Roger call to make the NFC South title race a ratings saver?

Crusader 12-07-2017 10:35 PM

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We learned that Thursday night football is crap. Playing on such a short week really sucks from an injury standpoint.

WillSaints81 12-07-2017 10:36 PM

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^of course.

dizzle88 12-07-2017 10:38 PM

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SP should not be calling plays.

3 straight stops by our D in the second half and three straight punts by us.

3 interceptions and 17 points to show for it.

Brees' decision making has gotten worse, absolutely no need to force that pass.

K Major 12-07-2017 10:44 PM

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As bad as the officiating was, the L is on Sean Payton and his play calling. Just too damn "pass happy" for my taste.

All of a sudden, this team is beat up with injuries. Let's hope we get guys back healthy sooner than later.

blackangold 12-07-2017 11:04 PM

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It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Fact is Brees is just average now, for what ever reason, the arm or his ticker isn’t working as well... whatever it is he’s just not the MVP type player anymore.

The MVP in this offense is Kamara and with him out we are An average offense.

saintfan 12-07-2017 11:05 PM

Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night
 
I learned that Josh Hill is never going to be our TE. It's time to scrap the roster at that position and start over. Cap hits or whatever else. Keep whosyourmama but give the rest their papers and call it a day.

Audiotom 12-07-2017 11:09 PM

Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night
 
What we didn't learn

Force them to stop the run

Clock management
1st down on 12 yard line 1:43
Run run run

Payton won't learn from this

Halo 12-07-2017 11:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781330)
It’s on Brees not Payton. Payton didn’t decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

K Major 12-07-2017 11:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781330)
Itís on Brees not Payton. Payton didnít decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Fact is Brees is just average now, for what ever reason, the arm or his ticker isnít working as well... whatever it is heís just not the MVP type player anymore.

The MVP in this offense is Kamara and with him out we are An average offense.

You run the football. Atl was using up the timeouts & we had a couple in our back pocket. Saints were already in pretty "automatic" FG range to tie it up if running the football didn't work. Really no reason Brees should have even been forced into that situation.

I hadn't seen the final stat count but I'd be surprised if Ingram had more than 10 touches all game. This L was on Sean Payton.

cars4dylan 12-07-2017 11:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781336)
Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

He may have been wrong in the past, but please point out how he's wrong in this this instance....

That L goes to play calling and not letting Ingram just eat the clock.

Brees has been sub par at best for all but one half in the Redskins game. That's just based on what I see in his decision making and throws. That first half td to Tommy Lee was a friggin ugly Manningesque pass that was just lucky enough to work.

Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade.

nola_swammi 12-07-2017 11:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 781283)
As bad as the officiating was, the L is on Sean Payton and his play calling. Just too damn "pass happy" for my taste.

All of a sudden, this team is beat up with injuries. Let's hope we get guys back healthy sooner than later.

The big IF

Win this game with a lot of time for our players recoupe from groins, concussion and other ailments, with the possibility of sitting a few for a playoff run. I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO KNOW WHO RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLAY CALL IN THE REDZONE

Utah_Saint 12-07-2017 11:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781330)
Itís on Brees not Payton. Payton didnít decide to throw that pick... Brees has a wide open check down and missed it.

Fact is Brees is just average now, for what ever reason, the arm or his ticker isnít working as well... whatever it is heís just not the MVP type player anymore.

The MVP in this offense is Kamara and with him out we are An average offense.

First in the league in completion percentage
Third in the league in passing yards
Third in the league in passer rating
Fourth in the league in yards/att

Pretty good stats for "just average"

Halo 12-07-2017 11:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 781346)
Something ain't right with the QB and it's multi faceted for him sadly enough. Love him but the game he's playing isn't up to his own standard that he's set over the last decade.

That's because we hardly have any talent at WR. And we definitely don't have a Tight End who can catch the ball. Even Fleener, when he played, was average at catching at best. Sorry but these wide receivers simply don't get open.

Fortunately we found a running game and have an o-ilne that can run block. The o-line doesn't pass block so well.

You can blame Brees all you want, but sorry the Rams game was a team loss and so was tonight. Remember, the Falcons strong point this season is their defense.

blackangold 12-07-2017 11:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781336)
Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

Wrong that Brees didnít have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Paytonís play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is...

Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasnít in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.

Halo 12-07-2017 11:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781354)
Wrong that Brees didn’t have an open check down? Wrong that Brees threw a pick into a crowd of defenders... oh no wait, those things actually happen. I guess Payton’s play call was specifically for Brees to throw the pick, wonder what the name of that play is...

Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasn’t in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.

No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure.
We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore.

It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage?
On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered.
Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight.

blackangold 12-07-2017 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781356)
No the play was to throw directly to the Tight End in the end zone over the middle. The safety valve is to throw to the runningback if Brees had pressure.
We ran this play with Jimmy Graham for years. Problem is, we have no Jimmy Graham's anymore.

It's a stupid play call. Run some clock, run the ball, why call a play to throw into double coverage?
On the following drive SP runs out on the field and lost his cool with a ref after the fumble they recovered.
Sorry but SP lost his cool and his nerve tonight.

I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him.

Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we wonít get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and weíll easily win the next 3 games.

nola_swammi 12-07-2017 11:53 PM

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No reason to say we don't have any wr when Thomas balled out with a TD. Ginn sacrifice his body for a catch, Lewis with a extra ballerina effort score a TD and Coleman with a clutch catch for 1st down. When the ball was delivered the wr aught the ball. Brees wasn't himself, not to say it's time to sit him, but he wasn't stepping up in the pocket and taking to much time diagnosing coverage or reacting to the coverages. With that being said I still feel comfortable with him as the starter. I just believe those interviews that mention the team don't have to rely him anymore effect him and the coaches

saintsfan1976 12-08-2017 12:33 AM

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I was at the game. From my perspective we played a solid game with exception of a few missed plays. Then the Brees INT which IMO was a bad throw.

Am I worried? No. We beat the Jets, Falcons and Bucs to end the season.

foreverfan 12-08-2017 09:30 AM

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Not having out star RB can cost you the game.

jeanpierre 12-08-2017 09:58 AM

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Two things I knew was reinforced - fans of the atl are among the worst in football and not everyone is ready to embrace the NFL after slighting the anthem...


|Mitch| 12-08-2017 10:12 AM

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What I learned?! Someone paid the referees off...

Illegal helmet to helmet hit on Kamara which resulted in a concussion

OPI on Sanu's touchdown wasn't called

A sneeze on Ryan that resulted in a roughing the passer

Numerous holding penalties on the Falcons which were turned a blind eye to

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781358)
I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him.

Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we wonít get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and weíll easily win the next 3 games.

We can still get a first round bye. We have an easier remaining schedule than Minnesota. But Minnesota has to lose week 15 to Cincinatti.

Papa Voodoo 12-08-2017 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 781332)
I learned that Josh Hill is never going to be our TE. It's time to scrap the roster at that position and start over. Cap hits or whatever else. Keep whosyourmama but give the rest their papers and call it a day.

I've been down on the TEs for a while. They stink. The year we traded JG Sean said Hill had all the makings to play that type of role. He didn't do it then and never has. Hill is a good back up TE, but not a starter. Even if we had made a trade this year to get JG back that was still an INT by Drew. He is human; he forced a ball ala Favre. Ryan was a pickosaurus last night. The young players will learn and Drew knows better.

Get healthy. Focus on the Jets. Get a W. Then the Falcons will face our wrath and that will be then end of the BS just like Carloina. We're going to the playoffs so enjoy it :)

Papa Voodoo 12-08-2017 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 781438)
What I learned?! Someone paid the referees off...

Illegal helmet to helmet hit on Kamara which resulted in a concussion

OPI on Sanu's touchdown wasn't called

A sneeze on Ryan that resulted in a roughing the passer

Numerous holding penalties on the Falcons which were turned a blind eye to

I may have missed a rule but I think it's still fair game (like PT in San Fran) to hit helmet to helmet on a RB as long as it isn't egregious. I enjoyed seeing us be able to play without Kamara. We showed we can play without doing what we did with JG. The roughing the passer was a joke, but home cooking is to be expected. We got a huge call in our favor last week against Carolina. You have to beat the opponent and the refs. The Patriots do this well.

|Mitch| 12-08-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 781450)
I may have missed a rule but I think it's still fair game (like PT in San Fran) to hit helmet to helmet on a RB as long as it isn't egregious.

You can't however crown to crown spear him though; even Shanle/Fujita wer livid on twitter last night over it...

WillMacKenzie 12-08-2017 05:09 PM

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I personally learned I can never be drunk enough

ChrisXVI 12-08-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 781452)
You can't however crown to crown spear him though; even Shanle/Fujita wer livid on twitter last night over it...

He didnít spear him. You can hit a guy and make helmet to helmet contact.

AsylumGuido 12-08-2017 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 781510)
He didnít spear him. You can hit a guy and make helmet to helmet contact.

Not if the crown of the helmet is used and the player is deemed defenseless, or unaware of the impending contact. The crown was used and the blow was from the side where Kamara was defenseless, or had no chance of avoiding the direct contact.

If any of you do not believe that Deion Jones didn't plant that head hit on purpose then I don't know what to think.

gulfgambler 12-08-2017 06:47 PM

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. Need to get healthy and weíll easily win the next 3 games.[/QUOTE]

And who do you want to play QB and call plays to get those 3 wins?

AsylumGuido 12-08-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gulfgambler (Post 781516)
. Need to get healthy and weíll easily win the next 3 games.

And who do you want to play QB and call plays to get those 3 wins?[/QUOTE]

What are you trying to say?

Thirty3 12-08-2017 07:27 PM

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Target on Kamara was on PURPOSE. Last drive finger in eye of MT on PURPOSE. DIRTY FREAKIN' DIRTY BIRDS. Next game put a fork in Jones. that bird is done.

nola_swammi 12-08-2017 07:34 PM

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Plain and simple the dirty birds needed refs, doctors and luck to win this game. They know their no chance in hell they are going to wi the next one

LivnaLieTimay 12-08-2017 07:57 PM

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What I learned...

This was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen.

Our Defense has heart. With the amount of time they were on the field and the injuries piling up they could of folded but they didn't and kept us in the game.

SP had no backup plan on offense once Kamara went down.

TE should be our #1 priority this offseason. Also finding a quick slot receiver to help pick up first downs is a big need because right now it seems our WR's are rarely getting separation.

Last, this is a darn good team. If we can get healthy, we can play with anyone.

gulfgambler 12-08-2017 08:08 PM

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Payton has never gotten off the hook from me, but this game wasnít in him as much. Brees held the ball too long all game and made some poor decisions to boot. Carmichael is still the better play caller.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 781521)
And who do you want to play QB and call plays to get those 3 wins?

What are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]

This was a partial quote from B&G and a question for B&G

RockyMountainSaint 12-09-2017 02:20 AM

Re: What we learned from our loss on Thursday night
 
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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781336)
Wrong. But you've been blaming Brees for 7 freaking years, even when the defense was dead last in the NFL and worst of all time.
We learned that we had to hear you say the same thing again.

Sometimes the truth must be shoved down someone's throat to be understood.

Kudos Bossman.

RockyMountainSaint 12-09-2017 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781358)
I agree Brees has no WR/TE weapons... hell Thomas is really only a possession guy, but Brees knows better than to throw that ball. You could tell by his expression that he knew it was on him.

Regardless, the better team lost tonight. It pisses me off because this basically ensures we wonít get a first round bye. Need to get healthy and weíll easily win the next 3 games.

If you look at the trend of run/pass over the last 4 games, you will see that SP is in SP mode.

Run? Meh, I guess I have to do that occasionally.

Pass?
What do you think Drew?
Helz Yeah Buddy!

Woo Hoo!!!!

We're smarter than everyone else!!!!!!

8-2 becomes 9-7

RockyMountainSaint 12-09-2017 02:44 AM

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Pete Carmichael should be calling the offensive plays.

Will not happen though.

The ship that had SP showing humility sailed long ago.

NonieT 12-09-2017 05:33 AM

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Sorry, but I just can't blame Payton for this one. Yeah he passed the ball at the end but he was doing what was best for his team. He had a beat up team, he had RBs who were not 100 percent and he did what he thought gave the Saints the best chance to win. The team wouldn't have held up in OT. He didn't tell Brees to make such a boneheaded play. Josh Hill is not Jimmy Graham and he should not have thrown into triple coverage. Ingram was wide open and is where he should have thrown the ball. Brees himself said he didn't need to make such a poor decision. The refs penchant for dropping flags didn't help either and I'm not too sure even if the Saints had scored a flag would not have been thrown to negate the play. That is how bad the officiating was. They did a pitiful job callling that game.


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