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jeanpierre 12-07-2017 10:49 PM

Run The F**king Ball, Sean!
 
Why are we throwing the ball with that much clock left???...to a Tight End with two turnovers in the previous four games and a likely concussion last week no less???

RuAtt - 15; PaAtt - 35; less than a 1:2 Run to Pass - It's not rocket science...

But just because you're not tearing off an Ingram 75 RuYd, or you don't have Kamara leaping defenders in a single bound doesn't mean the running game isn't helping...

Once again - Sean, being Sean - Outsmarting everyone, including himself...

Run the F**king Ball, Sean...Run the F**king Ball...

Great Defensive Effort, absolutely wasted...

ChrisXVI 12-07-2017 10:50 PM

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We don’t know that Mark was even capable of it at that point after the big hit he took.

K Major 12-07-2017 10:51 PM

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Bill Parcells has said it many times ..."sometimes he (SP) just has the fever". The man just can't help himself.

jeanpierre 12-07-2017 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 781301)
We don’t know that Mark was even capable of it at that point after the big hit he took.

Chris, I get that - really, I do...But essentially just three and outs in the second half over and over gassed that Saints defense...

At least we could have run the ball and ate more clock, giving our defense more time to recover...they were just gassed...

Payton can always move the ball, but even now, I'm still seeing the flaws in his game management return again...

saintshrimp 12-07-2017 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 781301)
We don’t know that Mark was even capable of it at that point after the big hit he took.

Watch the play drew checks it down to ingram on that plat he probally scores hes wide open. So he was healty to be in the game

Halo 12-07-2017 10:56 PM

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The playcall was just stupid.
We could have called almost anything except to force it into the second string tight end. And Hill has sucked.

I agree, MI was probably hurt or had the wind knocked out of him. I would have rather them call a roll out Brees throw to the endzone and throw out of bounds if nothing is there.

But to call a pass into double coverage over the middle is practically suicide.

blackangold 12-07-2017 10:59 PM

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Ingram was hurt you guys... he was questionable before the game with toe issues, gameplan was likely heavily on Kamara. Ingram got even more banged up during the game. I don’t blame the calls on the last drive... that was all brees.

Lord_Saint83 12-07-2017 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781309)
I get that, really I do...But three and outs over and over wore that Saints defense out...

At least we could have run the ball and ate more clock, giving them more time to rest...they were just gassed...

Payton can move the ball, but even now, I'm starting to see the flaws in his game management...


If he is calling plays and managing games like this in the playoffs we arent gonna get far

jeanpierre 12-07-2017 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781320)
Ingram was hurt you guys... he was questionable before the game with toe issues, gameplan was likely heavily on Kamara. Ingram got even more banged up during the game. I don’t blame the calls on the last drive... that was all brees.

The play-calling was directly attributable to the loss tonight...

And it was more than just the last drive, it was that entire second half...

This Atlanta coach knows Payton and he now owns Payton...

The fact that four defenders were around Josh Hill is evident of my point...

blackangold 12-07-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781331)
The play-calling was directly attributable to the loss tonight...

And it was more than just the last drive, it was that entire second half...

This Atlanta coach knows Payton and he now owns Payton...

The fact that four defenders were around Josh Hill is evident of my point...

I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees.

Rell&Gold 12-07-2017 11:16 PM

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And the sad part is he wasnt forcing ANY passes earlier playing real smart for the most part. Except maybe his pocket presence on those sacks but felt like he played well up until Last throw. Saint do not know how to close out games

jeanpierre 12-07-2017 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781334)
I think that proves my point, Brees throws to a guy covered by 4 people and had Ingram wide open in the flat. That’s not bad play calling that’s bad decision making by Brees.

Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

Rell&Gold 12-07-2017 11:19 PM

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Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NOONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game

Halo 12-07-2017 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781342)
Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

I think MI was hurt.
Look SP got ahead of himself. Kamara went down and MI was one injury away from totally destroying any gameplan SP had.

And the playcall at the end showed me that SP has lost his touch. He'll have to earn my respect again before I trust him as a playcaller.

jeanpierre 12-07-2017 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 781344)
Finish strong awareness...gametime situation even on the fumble NO ONE was aware of the ball on the ground....Saints players need to start preparing for 4 quarter football game

Vonn Bell was one terrible whiff by Payton in the draft last year - he has absolutely no awareness whatsoever...

With the coaching we now have on defense and Bell's lack of ball awareness, you can add Safety to off-season needs...

jeanpierre 12-07-2017 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781345)
I think MI was hurt.
Look SP got ahead of himself. Kamara went down and MI was one injury away from totally destroying any gameplan SP had.

And the playcall at the end showed me that SP has lost his touch. He'll have to earn my respect again before I trust him as a playcaller.

Pete Carmichael as to the latter, as to the earlier point, you're right, this Thursday Night BS took its toll and players were dropping left and right tonight...

And would someone punch Jim Mora in the face when he says he doesn't have a problem with Thursday Night Games - the whiny b*tch never played a game...

Lord_Saint83 12-07-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 781345)
I think MI was hurt.
Look SP got ahead of himself. Kamara went down and MI was one injury away from totally destroying any gameplan SP had.

And the playcall at the end showed me that SP has lost his touch. He'll have to earn my respect again before I trust him as a playcaller.


He had eight game run heavy streak then in la he reverts back to payton of old. Then goes back to it against carolina and then reverts back in atl. Idk what his deal is but if you arent behind by two scores you continue to run the ball. Throw edmunds in there he is a hard nose runner if ingram was too hurt and see if he can handle it. That said i agree payton lost his touch and im not sure if he can earn my respect unless we win it all

Halo 12-07-2017 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 781351)
He had eight game run heavy streak then in la he reverts back to payton of old. Then goes back to it against carolina and then reverts back in atl. Idk what his deal is but if you arent behind by two scores you continue to run the ball. Throw edmunds in there he is a hard nose runner if ingram was too hurt and see if he can handle it. That said i agree payton lost his touch and im not sure if he can earn my respect unless we win it all

He didn't even give Edmunds a chance.
It makes no sense. Freaking QB sneak and run the clock or something. Make Atl drain timeouts and kick a field goal. Run a flea flicker.... anything.
If you're going to force the ball, force it into Michael Thomas for frick sakes.

Beastmode 12-07-2017 11:56 PM

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I love Brees but no way does Rogers throw that ball. It still has not registered for me. For one, even if it was a TD, plenty of time on the clock for them to score. Two, we did not need a TD. Get the 3 and give us a shot. Stupid. Really stupid and almost no QB would make that throw. It was not a do or die situation.

nola_swammi 12-08-2017 12:04 AM

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No one should be blaming anyone on defense for the end result in this game. All of the defensive players played a great game

RailBoss 12-08-2017 01:46 AM

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dizzle88 12-08-2017 04:13 AM

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SP did the same last week vs Carolina.

Had a chance to get a long drive going up by 10 points, on 3rd and 1 at our own 25 yard lin he calls play action pass and Brees gets sacked. He was bailed out by a fumble on a punt return the next play.

SP made some real bad play calls by not running the ball, but this one falls squarely on Brees. He had the game in his hands, ATL was getting outside push but not much up front and he just wouldn't step up.

He's been missing wide open throws a lot this season.

We need to play lights out the next 3 games, if ATL and Carolina get on a win streak we are in for a bad end to December.

spkb25 12-08-2017 05:14 AM

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It was a bad decision by drew. That's what it was. Halo description of near suicide is accurate. You could run almost anything, but to run that...and to throw that with so much on the line and at leasta tie already guaranteed just makes 0 sense. If it is nipping at us this much as fans, I bet Drew hasn't come close to letting it go. He will, but I can guarantee he hasn't yet.

With everything the refs did we had that game in the bag with less than 2 minutes to go and it is upsetting because of that. We now need to get healthy because this is a really good team we have and if we can get healthy I think we are looking at 12-4 let the chips fall.

WhoDat!656 12-08-2017 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 781314)
Watch the play drew checks it down to ingram on that plat he probally scores hes wide open. So he was healty to be in the game

Drew Brees on interception: “I should have checked down” – ProFootballTalk

K Major 12-08-2017 08:46 AM

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Saints really need a TE for 2018. Put that high on the list of "needs" this off season.

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 781320)
Ingram was hurt you guys... he was questionable before the game with toe issues, gameplan was likely heavily on Kamara. Ingram got even more banged up during the game. I don’t blame the calls on the last drive... that was all brees.


Then he should not have been taking first down carries...

If there is one thing I observed, it is that Brees throws shorter passes than before, and is more susceptible to sacks than before. That's not on SP except for the fact that he isn't accommodating Drew. Drew is getting sacked on crucial third downs quite a few times this season and that's mostly a result of running the ball for little gains on first down or loss of yards, which puts the offense in a hole.

Passes get completed, but mostly they are screens to RBs and WRs. Short-yardage catches that don't result in first downs are an issue.

Another problem is the Oline not being disciplined enough because we always get too many offensive penalties. That could be the difference without Streif. He is not in there to set that team straight. That's a mostly young and immature oline.

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781342)
Black, my point is we shouldn't have even been passing at that point regardless...

In all honesty, if Ingram could not get first downs then we had to pass. The receivers aren't getting a lot of first downs with their catches, so we need three chances for a big catch. The tight-window throws is a fluctuator with our team...they help and hurt, like that int.

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 781351)
He had eight game run heavy streak then in la he reverts back to payton of old. Then goes back to it against carolina and then reverts back in atl. Idk what his deal is but if you arent behind by two scores you continue to run the ball. Throw edmunds in there he is a hard nose runner if ingram was too hurt and see if he can handle it. That said i agree payton lost his touch and im not sure if he can earn my respect unless we win it all

That's just it...we pass when from behind(even by a fg) and run when ahead. They just don't care about blowing teams out.

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 781389)
SP did the same last week vs Carolina.

Had a chance to get a long drive going up by 10 points, on 3rd and 1 at our own 25 yard lin he calls play action pass and Brees gets sacked. He was bailed out by a fumble on a punt return the next play.

SP made some real bad play calls by not running the ball, but this one falls squarely on Brees. He had the game in his hands, ATL was getting outside push but not much up front and he just wouldn't step up.

He's been missing wide open throws a lot this season.

We need to play lights out the next 3 games, if ATL and Carolina get on a win streak we are in for a bad end to December.

Because when we were on the streak, he got lots of rest. Unfortunately, that rest causes rust. Brees just does not look the same without the volume. I know people are saying we should run the ball, but running the ball does not help if it does not result in first downs or results in 3rd and longs.

And again, the reason Brees threw into that coverage is because in the past players caught those because of the "tight windows". Josh hill and Hoomanawanui are terrible players that need to go this offseason. They are not Shockey, Campbell, or Miller who blocked and caught passes.

Papa Voodoo 12-08-2017 10:58 AM

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I understand the frustration. You don't call plays for them not to work. What if we ran and Ingram fumbled the ball? Then it would be why didn't we throw...we have a HoF QB. I don't fault the Seahawks for calling a slant in the SB and throwing a pick. If it is executed as called it's a TD. Drew should have NEVER made that throw. He did. We still had a chance for OT and Sean went loco. The team will rally around that. The game last night will pay big dividends going forward. We're going to the playoffs. Enjoy the ride :)

RockyMountainSaint 12-08-2017 11:41 AM

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Thank God I'm in Sunshiner Recovery.

Some if you are completely incapable of finding fault in anything DB or SP do.

jeanpierre 12-08-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint (Post 781456)
Thank God I'm in Sunshiner Recovery.

Some if you are completely incapable of finding fault in anything DB or SP do.

:rofl:

jeanpierre 12-08-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 781412)
Saints really need a TE for 2018. Put that high on the list of "needs" this off season.

Troy Fumagalli, TE, Wisconsin Height: 6-6. Weight: 248. Projected 40 Time: 4.67. Projected Round (2018): 2-3...

jeanpierre 12-08-2017 03:01 PM

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If you geaux back to the Minnesota loss, we had run the ball nearly as much as passed the ball at the half and were down 6-3...

We hadn't tore off any big runs, but pounding the ball was wearing down that front seven pass rush...

One of our greatest strengths is our offensive linemen - use them and pound the oppositions with them...

K Major 12-08-2017 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 781482)
If you geaux back to the Minnesota loss, we had run the ball nearly as much as passed the ball at the half and were down 6-3...

We hadn't tore off any big runs, but pounding the ball was wearing down that front seven pass rush...

One of our greatest strengths is our offensive linemen - use them and pound the oppositions with them...

Makes perfect sense to me JP.

Beastmode 12-08-2017 03:28 PM

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I assume the play worked in practice and he went with it, more of a muscle / mind memory situation. Probably one of the worse decisions though of his career but with less ramifications for the time being. Could comeback and haunt us big time. We are really beat up right now.

Papa Voodoo 12-08-2017 03:33 PM

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5 times in the red zone with 4 FGs. That is why we lost to Minny. Harris is no longer on the team.

jeanpierre 12-08-2017 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 781489)
5 times in the red zone with 4 FGs. That is why we lost to Minny. Harris is no longer on the team.

That and we abandoned the run in the second half...

WillSaints81 12-08-2017 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 781390)
It was a bad decision by drew. That's what it was. Halo description of near suicide is accurate. You could run almost anything, but to run that...and to throw that with so much on the line and at leasta tie already guaranteed just makes 0 sense. If it is nipping at us this much as fans, I bet Drew hasn't come close to letting it go. He will, but I can guarantee he hasn't yet.

With everything the refs did we had that game in the bag with less than 2 minutes to go and it is upsetting because of that. We now need to get healthy because this is a really good team we have and if we can get healthy I think we are looking at 12-4 let the chips fall.

Actually, my ESPN update had Brees complaining about short rest.

Cruize 12-08-2017 05:09 PM

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Run the ball. Atlanta uses all their time outs. Try for the score if it's there. If not, take your chances in OT. Bad coaching. Bad execution on Brees. Fix was in. Worst officiated game ever. Yet, the Saints still had in in their grasp. But, I honestly let it go last night. Said a prayer for the injured. First as humans. Second as Saints. :) No worries.


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