Saints Sign DE George Johnson

Rell&Gold · 12-12-2017, 09:44 PM

Doesnt make sense to not get him on the field...at THE LEAST on 3rd down passing situations. He's "weak" against the run I beg to differ....his run defense CAN NOT be that bad to the point they fear if he's in the game he's guranteed liability. But Devante Harris gets PT... Ijs this is a wasted move. They are just prolonging "growing pains". Saving his mistakes for later down the road instead letting him get some PT and gaining some MUCH needed experience now.

Rell&Gold · 12-12-2017, 09:48 PM

By the way Junior STILL never became an above average run stopper. Muhammad needs and by the looks of the pre-season EARNED some PT. Now he just stands on the sidelines w/ zero real game experience. Saints need to cut the $h!t.

Rell&Gold · 12-13-2017, 08:05 AM

Like what else could he possibly do to see playing time? Led the Pre-season in sacks, wasnt perfect but damn sure showed his worth. Alex Okafor goes down NO activation...Trey Hendrickson goes down they sign someone off the street...Activate the man. There is something else to this if he's not hurt. Maybe he gets activated this week...who knows

Halo · 12-13-2017, 09:45 AM

I don't think people realize how much losing Okafur hurt the defense. He was silently killing the run and rushing passers. He opened the door for other players on defense to shine very brightly. I think they are looking for someone with balanced rush stop and pass rush abilities.

Hendrickson was hurt last week.

In 42 career NFL contests, Johnson 61 tackles, six sacks, and two forced fumbles

Link from here on his stats

K Major · 12-13-2017, 10:00 AM

FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams.

nola_swammi · 12-13-2017, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams.

You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him.

K Major · 12-13-2017, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him.

I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do

. All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty.

My guess is that he is activated either this week vs the Jets or Tampa.

saintfan · 12-13-2017, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do .

All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty.

I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up.

Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science.

turbo_dog · 12-14-2017, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up.

Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science.

I think of Ninkovich and Casillas. Seems like all of us saw potential and production, but the coaches didn't feel the same way. Then they went to other teams and shined.

Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2017, 01:35 PM

This defensive line coach has done wonders this year! If the team feels the need to go outside the roster then they have their reasons.

The problem with playing him five snaps a game is that you would have been taking impact players that have gelled off the field, and a few snaps could have impacted the flow of the game. The coaches see Muhammed at practice every day. We've only seen him perform against second and third string players in preseason.

Edit: I don't know anything about George Jonson. I hope he's another good retread for the Saints. Don't forget our D-line coach is good and with a vet he might get the concepts quicker.

12-12-2017, 09:44 PM	#1
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Doesnt make sense to not get him on the field...at THE LEAST on 3rd down passing situations. He's "weak" against the run I beg to differ....his run defense CAN NOT be that bad to the point they fear if he's in the game he's guranteed liability. But Devante Harris gets PT... Ijs this is a wasted move. They are just prolonging "growing pains". Saving his mistakes for later down the road instead letting him get some PT and gaining some MUCH needed experience now. nola_swammi likes this.

12-12-2017, 09:48 PM	#2
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson By the way Junior STILL never became an above average run stopper. Muhammad needs and by the looks of the pre-season EARNED some PT. Now he just stands on the sidelines w/ zero real game experience. Saints need to cut the $h!t. nola_swammi likes this.

12-13-2017, 08:05 AM	#3
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Like what else could he possibly do to see playing time? Led the Pre-season in sacks, wasnt perfect but damn sure showed his worth. Alex Okafor goes down NO activation...Trey Hendrickson goes down they sign someone off the street...Activate the man. There is something else to this if he's not hurt. Maybe he gets activated this week...who knows

12-13-2017, 09:45 AM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,867 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson I don't think people realize how much losing Okafur hurt the defense. He was silently killing the run and rushing passers. He opened the door for other players on defense to shine very brightly. I think they are looking for someone with balanced rush stop and pass rush abilities. Hendrickson was hurt last week. In 42 career NFL contests, Johnson 61 tackles, six sacks, and two forced fumbles Link from here on his stats hagan714, saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

12-13-2017, 10:00 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams.

12-13-2017, 01:15 PM	#6
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Originally Posted by K Major FWIW Muhammad was last activated vs the Packers (10/22). He had 3 snaps & no impact. If he's active vs the Jets, I'd like to see his production on special teams. You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him. Rell&Gold likes this.

12-13-2017, 02:07 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Originally Posted by nola_swammi You have to understand less than 5 snaps is to give him some game time experience not to see if he going to be a impact. No way any player can cause a impact with 3 snaps their rookie season. The kid need some game time experience, something to help you evaluate his talent. Maybe, they're trying to keep his value less in order to sign him to a longer contract, I don't know, but I'll love to stop speculating and see the guy on the field. He might just be a difference maker, and activating him could better help evaluate him. I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do . All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty. My guess is that he is activated either this week vs the Jets or Tampa. Rell&Gold likes this.

12-13-2017, 02:11 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Originally Posted by K Major I'm with you Nola. I've actually asked several times on this forum on "why isn't he active this week?". Apparently the positional coaches & staff see it from a different perspective than we do . All I know is that during t/c & subsequent pre season games, he performed better than the man in front of him ... even in mop up duty. I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up. Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science. K Major and MarchingOn like this.

12-14-2017, 03:15 PM	#9
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,649	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson Originally Posted by saintfan I'm reading this and I'm thinking Jake Delhomme. Cut by Parcells among others. Couldn't crack the lineup here unless the guy in front of him was hurt. The coaches never saw 'it' during the week. Guy comes in and lights it up. Some guys need to be on the field. It's just not an exact science. I think of Ninkovich and Casillas. Seems like all of us saw potential and production, but the coaches didn't feel the same way. Then they went to other teams and shined. Rell&Gold likes this.

12-13-2017, 01:35 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Saints Sign DE George Johnson This defensive line coach has done wonders this year! If the team feels the need to go outside the roster then they have their reasons. The problem with playing him five snaps a game is that you would have been taking impact players that have gelled off the field, and a few snaps could have impacted the flow of the game. The coaches see Muhammed at practice every day. We've only seen him perform against second and third string players in preseason. Edit: I don't know anything about George Jonson. I hope he's another good retread for the Saints. Don't forget our D-line coach is good and with a vet he might get the concepts quicker. 44Champs likes this.
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