Saints fans sues over protests

homerj07 · 12-13-2017, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

I would agree with this guy. He purchased the tickets to have his family entertained my given someone else's political views. There is a time and place for everything.

Ok. I can see that argument. Did this fan also get upset about the religion that has been inserted in the game?

If not, why?

How is it different? You don't agree with one because you believe it is offensive. It takes away from the entertainment value.

But, praying, praising God, whatever, that's OK because you don't find that offensive?

How are the two different?

I don't watch football for politics BUT I also don't watch to be preached at.

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

Ok. I can see that argument. Did this fan also get upset about the religion that has been inserted in the game?

If not, why?

How is it different? You don't agree with one because you believe it is offensive. It takes away from the entertainment value.

But, praying, praising God, whatever, that's OK because you don't find that offensive?

How are the two different?

I don't watch football for politics BUT I also don't watch to be preached at.

Who is preaching to you? You want to know what the differences between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person were not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement.

Major difference.

homerj07 · 12-13-2017, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Who is preaching to you? You want to know the difference between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person where not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement.

Major difference.

NO... its not. And please don't pull the "As a Christian" - I am too.

IF it wasn't Christian prayer if it was something Buddhist or Hindu or whatever, would you still be ok with it?

If the argument is "a disrruption of the entertainment value" then the religion is the same thing.

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by homerj07

NO... its not. And please don't pull the "As a Christian" - I am too.

IF it wasn't Christian prayer if it was something Buddhist or Hindu or whatever, would you still be ok with it?

If the argument is "a disrruption of the entertainment value" then the religion is the same thing.

Did you read my post? Did I not just say that while I have problems with the various religions around the world, I am not offended by their praying? I have seen it, and it did not affect me in the least. It would help you to understand my point if you simply go back and read through my entire post. It's not very long.

I also asked you, who is preaching to you? When a player says a prayer, is that in your face? Is it directed at anyone in particular? It is not a protest, and it is not done as a disruption. And what do you mean "don't pull" the as a Christian statement? What exactly am I pulling by simply stating my faith? And if you are, as you say, also a Christian, then why are you talking about not wanting to be preached to? What exactly is it that you stand for, then?

homerj07 · 12-15-2017, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Did you read my post? Did I not just say that while I have problems with the various religions around the world, I am not offended by their praying? I have seen it, and it did not affect me in the least. It would help you to understand my point if you simply go back and read through my entire post. It's not very long.

I also asked you, who is preaching to you? When a player says a prayer, is that in your face? Is it directed at anyone in particular? It is not a protest, and it is not done as a disruption. And what do you mean "don't pull" the as a Christian statement? What exactly am I pulling by simply stating my faith? And if you are, as you say, also a Christian, then why are you talking about not wanting to be preached to? What exactly is it that you stand for, then?

You are pretending, for some reason, that I am offended by either. I am not.

As a student of history I understand that both social protest AND religion are main stays of American society & I don't care about either. I understand the reasons for & concepts behind both displays.

I am simply making a point. (And I will say it again...)

IF the argument is that that one "takes away from the "entertainment value of the game" THEN so does the other.

I don't see how the protest is "in your face". But if that' the way you see it Ok.

I do not see it as any more "in your face" then the praying & praising. BUT that is my opinion.

All I am saying is it is hypocritical to not see both of them as basically the same WHEN the argument is "takes away from the entertainment value of the game".

So, we are at an impasse. There is no way I will convince you & no way you will convince me. Any more discussion on this point would be moot.

Have a great one!

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2017, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Who is preaching to you? You want to know what the differences between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person were not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement.

Major difference.

Major difference to you. I respect that. But you are obviously in the minority.

burningmetal · 12-13-2017, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Major difference to you. I respect that. But you are obviously in the minority.

Am I? Show me your proof. How many people are complaining about prayer? It's something that people might disagree with, depending on their beliefs, or lack thereof, but it isn't something that causes a stir. There would be a big fire storm, as with the protests, if a majority of people were offended by it. It's a private act. It might be in public, but it's not being done at an inappropriate time, and it's not directed at any "cause". So comparing that with the protests makes no sense.

I don't like the way players bleach their hair and act like they won the super bowl every time they make a big hit after giving up a 15 yard run, but I don't feel disrespected by it, nor do I feel it is championing a false narrative.

12-13-2017, 05:12 PM	#1
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by CheramieIII I would agree with this guy. He purchased the tickets to have his family entertained my given someone else's political views. There is a time and place for everything. Ok. I can see that argument. Did this fan also get upset about the religion that has been inserted in the game? If not, why? How is it different? You don't agree with one because you believe it is offensive. It takes away from the entertainment value. But, praying, praising God, whatever, that's OK because you don't find that offensive? How are the two different? I don't watch football for politics BUT I also don't watch to be preached at. ScottF likes this.

12-13-2017, 05:30 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by homerj07 Ok. I can see that argument. Did this fan also get upset about the religion that has been inserted in the game? If not, why? How is it different? You don't agree with one because you believe it is offensive. It takes away from the entertainment value. But, praying, praising God, whatever, that's OK because you don't find that offensive? How are the two different? I don't watch football for politics BUT I also don't watch to be preached at. Who is preaching to you? You want to know what the differences between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person were not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement. Major difference.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-13-2017, 05:37 PM	#3
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal Who is preaching to you? You want to know the difference between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person where not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement. Major difference. NO... its not. And please don't pull the "As a Christian" - I am too. IF it wasn't Christian prayer if it was something Buddhist or Hindu or whatever, would you still be ok with it? If the argument is "a disrruption of the entertainment value" then the religion is the same thing. shawnkytonk likes this.

12-13-2017, 05:44 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by homerj07 NO... its not. And please don't pull the "As a Christian" - I am too. IF it wasn't Christian prayer if it was something Buddhist or Hindu or whatever, would you still be ok with it? If the argument is "a disrruption of the entertainment value" then the religion is the same thing. Did you read my post? Did I not just say that while I have problems with the various religions around the world, I am not offended by their praying? I have seen it, and it did not affect me in the least. It would help you to understand my point if you simply go back and read through my entire post. It's not very long. I also asked you, who is preaching to you? When a player says a prayer, is that in your face? Is it directed at anyone in particular? It is not a protest, and it is not done as a disruption. And what do you mean "don't pull" the as a Christian statement? What exactly am I pulling by simply stating my faith? And if you are, as you say, also a Christian, then why are you talking about not wanting to be preached to? What exactly is it that you stand for, then?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

12-15-2017, 01:22 PM	#5
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal Did you read my post? Did I not just say that while I have problems with the various religions around the world, I am not offended by their praying? I have seen it, and it did not affect me in the least. It would help you to understand my point if you simply go back and read through my entire post. It's not very long. I also asked you, who is preaching to you? When a player says a prayer, is that in your face? Is it directed at anyone in particular? It is not a protest, and it is not done as a disruption. And what do you mean "don't pull" the as a Christian statement? What exactly am I pulling by simply stating my faith? And if you are, as you say, also a Christian, then why are you talking about not wanting to be preached to? What exactly is it that you stand for, then? You are pretending, for some reason, that I am offended by either. I am not. As a student of history I understand that both social protest AND religion are main stays of American society & I don't care about either. I understand the reasons for & concepts behind both displays. I am simply making a point. (And I will say it again...) IF the argument is that that one "takes away from the "entertainment value of the game" THEN so does the other. I don't see how the protest is "in your face". But if that' the way you see it Ok. I do not see it as any more "in your face" then the praying & praising. BUT that is my opinion. All I am saying is it is hypocritical to not see both of them as basically the same WHEN the argument is "takes away from the entertainment value of the game". So, we are at an impasse. There is no way I will convince you & no way you will convince me. Any more discussion on this point would be moot. Have a great one! AsylumGuido likes this.
	I'll see you in Hell Candy Boys!!!

12-13-2017, 06:27 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,489	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by burningmetal Who is preaching to you? You want to know what the differences between the two things you mentioned are? One is a private matter that isn't stated in protest, and the other is something that entire teams are doing, and it has often been done in the middle of our National Anthem. You use the word religion, but there are a lot of different beliefs. As a Christian myself, I have a lot of problems with "religions" that pop up around the world. But if I see someone praying during a game, and I know he isn't a Christian, I am not offended. I would wish that the person were not praying to some pagan "god", or whatever else, but I believe in his right to have his religious freedom. It isn't something that is in your face, and making a political statement. Major difference. Major difference to you. I respect that. But you are obviously in the minority.

12-13-2017, 06:41 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints fans sues over protests Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Major difference to you. I respect that. But you are obviously in the minority. Am I? Show me your proof. How many people are complaining about prayer? It's something that people might disagree with, depending on their beliefs, or lack thereof, but it isn't something that causes a stir. There would be a big fire storm, as with the protests, if a majority of people were offended by it. It's a private act. It might be in public, but it's not being done at an inappropriate time, and it's not directed at any "cause". So comparing that with the protests makes no sense. I don't like the way players bleach their hair and act like they won the super bowl every time they make a big hit after giving up a 15 yard run, but I don't feel disrespected by it, nor do I feel it is championing a false narrative.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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