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SaintGup 12-20-2017 12:55 PM

Please Mr. Payton...
 
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1. If we are 2nd and short, please try and run Ingram behind Line and hammer it home.
2. Don't always swap Ingram/Kamara out for the other after one play.
3. You, Dennis Allen and the DB coaches ask your backs to turn their heads when defending a pass else don't look surprised when a PI is called.
4. Get the D-Linemen to raise their hands to narrow pawing lanes...look at what Cam did against the Jets.
5. Don't get too cute with plays in the flats. Atlanta have a fast group...time to get rid of finesse and punch them in the mouth. Use line more.
6. I would prefer Brees to throw a short to medium game, and use our guys YAC ability. Not keen on going deep too much.
6a. Poe is a beast. They have a good pass rush. Please get quick releases from Brees.
7. We have a great running game. Use it more than you have been be allow our Running Backs to get into a rhythm.
8. I certainly hope you have taught players how to hold onto the ball. Coleman has been doing a good job until the Jets game. I don't understand how anyone was surprised he fumbled the ball after looking how he was holding it.
9. Our house, our fans, our win...PLEASE!

People, this is what I think based on what I have seen. If I have missed anything, or got something wrong, I am sure you will let me know. 😁

|Mitch| 12-20-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 783519)
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6. I would prefer Brees to throw a short to medium game, and use our guys YAC ability. Not keen on going deep too much.

I disagree; get them worried about stopping Ingram/Kamara and then hit them with a play action deep shot...

What better way to take the steam out of their defense...

RockyMountainSaint 12-20-2017 01:05 PM

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You forgot that Payton doesn't give a s÷%t what anyone else thinks.

hitta 12-20-2017 02:04 PM

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I've never understood the point in always running the ball on 2nd and short. It is statistically the best down and distance for taking a shot down the field and knowing you can easily convert on 3rd down.

SaintGup 12-20-2017 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 783527)
I've never understood the point in always running the ball on 2nd and short. It is statistically the best down and distance for taking a shot down the field and knowing you can easily convert on 3rd down.

It might be the best for taking a shot, but is it the best for getting the first down? Also, I don't think anyone knows they can easily convert a third down. Ask Washington. 😀

SaintGup 12-20-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 783520)
I disagree; get them worried about stopping Ingram/Kamara and then hit them with a play action deep shot...

What better way to take the steam out of their defense...

I only say this because of the difficulty we had getting separation down the field.

|Mitch| 12-20-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 783531)
I only say this because of the difficulty we had getting separation down the field.

make them put 8 in the box and throw on them all day...

saintfan 12-20-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 783533)
make them put 8 in the box and throw on them all day...

Alvin Kamara

homerj07 12-20-2017 08:58 PM

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F - - k.... just win the damn game.

RockyMountainSaint 12-20-2017 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 783533)
make them put 8 in the box and throw on them all day...

Someone should communicate this basic offensive football tenet to Sean Payton.

Not as sexy as another failed end around, but, c'mon Sean, let's give it a shot.

Rugby Saint II 12-21-2017 12:35 PM

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Please coach.......don't get cute......execute!:lightsabre:

darstep 12-21-2017 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 783533)
make them put 8 in the box and throw on them all day...

I say NEVER put 8 in the box. It just limits our options. Stretch teams thin.
Much easier for Ingram and/or AK to stick their head in a gap an get 2 for a 1st down.
Short yardage situations we should let Brees decide how he wants to handle it.
Spread the field and let Drew pick the poison.
Also easier to catch somebody sleeping, or cheating or over matched.

I just hope Mr. Payton stays with the running game and not fall back into pass happy old habits.

hitta 12-22-2017 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGup (Post 783530)
It might be the best for taking a shot, but is it the best for getting the first down? Also, I don't think anyone knows they can easily convert a third down. Ask Washington. 😀

That logic makes no sense though. Anytime you don't pick up 10 yards on first down it will always be second down. If you do pick up 10 yards it is just first down again and you start the process all over again. 2nd and short(and even 3rd and short) are more favorable down and distances statistically than 1st and 10. 2nd and short is the one time where you can feel comfortable in picking up the first down and not have the fear of the next down being 4th down. As a result the scenario should offer the best situation in order to maximize yardage over just picking up the first down.

If you run the ball on 2nd and short.. convert the first down, then you'd have to pick up enough yards again on first down to put yourself in an equally favorable position.


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