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WhoDat!656 01-03-2018 05:32 PM

Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class
 
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Beastmode 01-03-2018 05:58 PM

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Depending how this boils down this could be the best rookie class of all time for a team. If they make it to the NFC Championship or SB I think that would seal it.

burningmetal 01-03-2018 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 786172)
Depending how this boils down this could be the best rookie class of all time for a team. If they make it to the NFC Championship or SB I think that would seal it.

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

frydaddy 01-03-2018 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 786175)
I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top.

Beastmode 01-03-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 786175)
I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

That team only won 10 games in the RS. They did win the SB so if we pulled that off I would say yes, best rookie class of all time. No way to gauge long term but things are so different now. No way we could keep all of them when it's time to pony up. Right now though, going off the 11 W's, RS this is the best class. We hit the freakin lottery either way.

burningmetal 01-03-2018 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 786178)
True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top.

Yeah, as far as just Saints drafts, it will most likely go down as their best. Assuming they don't fall flat on their faces in the next year or two.

WhoDat!656 01-03-2018 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 786175)
I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

burningmetal 01-03-2018 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 786186)
That team only won 10 games in the RS. They did win the SB so if we pulled that off I would say yes, best rookie class of all time. No way to gauge long term but things are so different now. No way we could keep all of them when it's time to pony up. Right now though, going off the 11 W's, RS this is the best class. We hit the freakin lottery either way.

Well... There is a little more that goes into declaring a class the best of all time, don't you think? I wasn't aware we were using just the first season to define the success of a class. They also didn't have 16 game regular season's back then, either.

Whether or not the Saints keep these players long term isn't really part of the equation for me. It's just about looking at player success, and the fact that they were all drafted by one team in the same year. If they leave, and go on to be hall of famers, it wouldn't diminish anything.

burningmetal 01-03-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 786189)
The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

WhoDat!656 01-03-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 786191)
So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.


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