Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class

WhoDat!656 · 01-03-2018, 06:32 PM

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Beastmode · 01-03-2018, 06:58 PM

Depending how this boils down this could be the best rookie class of all time for a team. If they make it to the NFC Championship or SB I think that would seal it.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Depending how this boils down this could be the best rookie class of all time for a team. If they make it to the NFC Championship or SB I think that would seal it.

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

frydaddy · 01-03-2018, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top.

Beastmode · 01-03-2018, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

That team only won 10 games in the RS. They did win the SB so if we pulled that off I would say yes, best rookie class of all time. No way to gauge long term but things are so different now. No way we could keep all of them when it's time to pony up. Right now though, going off the 11 W's, RS this is the best class. We hit the freakin lottery either way.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top.

Yeah, as far as just Saints drafts, it will most likely go down as their best. Assuming they don't fall flat on their faces in the next year or two.

WhoDat!656 · 01-03-2018, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth.

The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

That team only won 10 games in the RS. They did win the SB so if we pulled that off I would say yes, best rookie class of all time. No way to gauge long term but things are so different now. No way we could keep all of them when it's time to pony up. Right now though, going off the 11 W's, RS this is the best class. We hit the freakin lottery either way.

Well... There is a little more that goes into declaring a class the best of all time, don't you think? I wasn't aware we were using just the first season to define the success of a class. They also didn't have 16 game regular season's back then, either.

Whether or not the Saints keep these players long term isn't really part of the equation for me. It's just about looking at player success, and the fact that they were all drafted by one team in the same year. If they leave, and go on to be hall of famers, it wouldn't diminish anything.

burningmetal · 01-03-2018, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did.

The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4

Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD

91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1

110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

WhoDat!656 · 01-03-2018, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year?

I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by Beastmode Depending how this boils down this could be the best rookie class of all time for a team. If they make it to the NFC Championship or SB I think that would seal it. I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth. homerj07 likes this.

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frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth. True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth. That team only won 10 games in the RS. They did win the SB so if we pulled that off I would say yes, best rookie class of all time. No way to gauge long term but things are so different now. No way we could keep all of them when it's time to pony up. Right now though, going off the 11 W's, RS this is the best class. We hit the freakin lottery either way.
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by frydaddy True, but I think it could pretty easily be the Saints best draft ever. Hopefully Anzalone comes back next year and claims himself a starting spot at LB. That would really push it over the top. Yeah, as far as just Saints drafts, it will most likely go down as their best. Assuming they don't fall flat on their faces in the next year or two.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know. It's going to be next to impossible to put any class over the Steelers 1974 class that ended up with four hall of famers: Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, Jack Lambert and John Stallworth. The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did. The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4 Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1 110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 The Steelers draft class didn't have the immediate results that the Saints did. The Steelers in 1973 were 10-3-1; in 1974 they were 10-4 Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 91 John Stallworth PIT WR 16 269 16.8 20.7 -- 1 110 Lynn Swann PIT WR 11 208 18.9 17.3 -- 2 So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: Saints head to the playoffs thanks in large part to an incredible rookie class Originally Posted by burningmetal So? maybe they didn't need those guys to contribute as much in their first year. They did win the Super Bowl, after all. Does this mean that the Steelers did not, in fact, draft four hall of famers in the same year? I'm having a hard time understanding why this is an argument. The difference is the Saints 2017 draft class had an immediate and positive effect; the Steelers 1974 class did not.

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