Jason Campbell overrated?

papz · 04-20-2005, 04:55 PM

Overrated: Jason Campbell, Auburn
There's no denying Campbell was as good as any quarterback in the country his senior season and arguably the most important contributor to the Tigers' 13-0 season. At nearly 6-foot-5 and with a strong release, he's physically impressive. But one strong year shouldn't completely override the three previous, weak ones. For most of his career, Campbell struggled with the mental aspect of the game, making poor decisions and struggling to pick up offensive schemes. He finally thrived in the West Coast offense employed by his fourth coordinator in as many years, Al Borges, but several of Borges' predecessors found themselves simplifying their playbooks as much as possible to appease Campbell. As SI.com's Peter King reported last week, Campbell scored a less-than-impressive 14 on his first attempt at the Wonderlic test last year. NFL coaches won't have the time or patience to wait another four years for him to grasp a pro offense.

saintswhodi · 04-20-2005, 05:02 PM

I read that. This is the same guy, Stewart Mandel, who totally blew his overrated/underrated last year

Last year, GMs would have been better off drawing names out of a hat than listening to me, who foolishly deemed two rookie standouts, Lions receiver Roy Williams and Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris, as overrated at their positions, and a guy who never made it off a practice squad, former West Virginia running back Quincy Wilson, as underrated.

Grain of salt.

BRSaintsFan · 04-20-2005, 05:05 PM

LOL, good find whodi. I read the same article a few minutes ago and was a little befuddled by his choices. I think that most QBs would make mental errors while learning that many offensive systems and by being beat up by some of the best defenses in the country. I think its a testament to his football smarts, despite his score on the Wonderlic, that he could pick up that many different offensive systems and eventually thrive in his senior season. One year wonder maybe, but not in my opinion.

spkb25 · 04-20-2005, 06:33 PM

i hope the guy has a good career. i dont see it though. but hey who am i. i think he will be nothing more then a back up in the pros

mutineer10 · 04-20-2005, 07:37 PM

Maybe Mandel is a Tide or Auburn fan...

We\'ve debated Campbell before, and those who really seem most against him (myself - a Tide fan, and baronm - an Auburn fan) must\'ve lost our enchantment b/c we saw him so much in college.

I\'ll take nothing away from Campbell\'s ability, and I\'ll also concede he really had a brilliant season as a senior. Questions abound regarding whether Al Borgis (his 4th OC in 4 years) simply found a system to fit Campbell, or if he finally \"got it\" his senior year.

Borgis implemented a simplified, play-action oriented west coast offense. It utilized the superb talents of Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams (something previous Auburn OC\'s were mysteriously unable to do), drawing the defense into the box and making them more susceptable to the play-action pass. This kept defenses honest and gave Campbell more time in the pocket, where he performed brilliantly.

In his first 3 seasons, however, Campbell was the very definition of \"shell-shocked.\" He handled pressure terribly, and played even worse when frustrated and \"under the gun.\" He doesn\'t play well from behind (and the improvements on Auburn\'s defense helped him there last season).

A team who drafts him needs to provide good protection, as historically Campbell will crack under pressure. I don\'t put much faith in the Wonderlic, but I\'m told he scored poorly, so there may be doubts about his ability to retain a pro-style offensive scheme.

Just my opinion, but I think Campbell might be a nice fit for a team like the Ravens, Bills or Redskins (see other posts) who can supplement a simpler offense with strong defensive play, as well as featuing a capable RB to keep the opposing defense from \"sending the house.\" Campbell\'s fate - like so many others - will be determined by the system he\'s placed in.

[Edited on 20/4/2005 by mutineer10]

baronm · 04-20-2005, 10:38 PM

Maybe Mandel is a Tide or Auburn fan...

We\'ve debated Campbell before, and those who really seem most against him (myself - a Tide fan, and baronm - an Auburn fan) must\'ve lost our enchantment b/c we saw him so much in college.

I\'ll take nothing away from Campbell\'s ability, and I\'ll also concede he really had a brilliant season as a senior. Questions abound regarding whether Al Borgis (his 4th OC in 4 years) simply found a system to fit Campbell, or if he finally \"got it\" his senior year.

Borgis implemented a simplified, play-action oriented west coast offense. It utilized the superb talents of Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams (something previous Auburn OC\'s were mysteriously unable to do), drawing the defense into the box and making them more susceptable to the play-action pass. This kept defenses honest and gave Campbell more time in the pocket, where he performed brilliantly.

In his first 3 seasons, however, Campbell was the very definition of \"shell-shocked.\" He handled pressure terribly, and played even worse when frustrated and \"under the gun.\" He doesn\'t play well from behind (and the improvements on Auburn\'s defense helped him there last season).
A team who drafts him needs to provide good protection, as historically Campbell will crack under pressure. I don\'t put much faith in the Wonderlic, but I\'m told he scored poorly, so there may be doubts about his ability to retain a pro-style offensive scheme.

Just my opinion, but I think Campbell might be a nice fit for a team like the Ravens, Bills or Redskins (see other posts) who can supplement a simpler offense with strong defensive play, as well as featuing a capable RB to keep the opposing defense from \"sending the house.\" Campbell\'s fate - like so many others - will be determined by the system he\'s placed in.

[Edited on 20/4/2005 by mutineer10]

good post-my thoughts excatly...he is a great guy and a decent college quarterback..but put pressure on him and he gets the deer in the headlights look.

the other thing not mentioned that bothers me is that he should up to the senior bowl with a slight belly..how do yougo from the season to poor conditioning? that is worrisome.

04-20-2005, 04:55 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Jason Campbell overrated? Overrated: Jason Campbell, Auburn There's no denying Campbell was as good as any quarterback in the country his senior season and arguably the most important contributor to the Tigers' 13-0 season. At nearly 6-foot-5 and with a strong release, he's physically impressive. But one strong year shouldn't completely override the three previous, weak ones. For most of his career, Campbell struggled with the mental aspect of the game, making poor decisions and struggling to pick up offensive schemes. He finally thrived in the West Coast offense employed by his fourth coordinator in as many years, Al Borges, but several of Borges' predecessors found themselves simplifying their playbooks as much as possible to appease Campbell. As SI.com's Peter King reported last week, Campbell scored a less-than-impressive 14 on his first attempt at the Wonderlic test last year. NFL coaches won't have the time or patience to wait another four years for him to grasp a pro offense.

04-20-2005, 05:02 PM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Jason Campbell overrated? I read that. This is the same guy, Stewart Mandel, who totally blew his overrated/underrated last year Last year, GMs would have been better off drawing names out of a hat than listening to me, who foolishly deemed two rookie standouts, Lions receiver Roy Williams and Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris, as overrated at their positions, and a guy who never made it off a practice squad, former West Virginia running back Quincy Wilson, as underrated. Grain of salt.

04-20-2005, 05:05 PM	#3
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Jason Campbell overrated? LOL, good find whodi. I read the same article a few minutes ago and was a little befuddled by his choices. I think that most QBs would make mental errors while learning that many offensive systems and by being beat up by some of the best defenses in the country. I think its a testament to his football smarts, despite his score on the Wonderlic, that he could pick up that many different offensive systems and eventually thrive in his senior season. One year wonder maybe, but not in my opinion.

04-20-2005, 06:33 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Jason Campbell overrated? i hope the guy has a good career. i dont see it though. but hey who am i. i think he will be nothing more then a back up in the pros

04-20-2005, 07:37 PM	#5
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Jason Campbell overrated? Maybe Mandel is a Tide or Auburn fan... We\'ve debated Campbell before, and those who really seem most against him (myself - a Tide fan, and baronm - an Auburn fan) must\'ve lost our enchantment b/c we saw him so much in college. I\'ll take nothing away from Campbell\'s ability, and I\'ll also concede he really had a brilliant season as a senior. Questions abound regarding whether Al Borgis (his 4th OC in 4 years) simply found a system to fit Campbell, or if he finally \"got it\" his senior year. Borgis implemented a simplified, play-action oriented west coast offense. It utilized the superb talents of Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams (something previous Auburn OC\'s were mysteriously unable to do), drawing the defense into the box and making them more susceptable to the play-action pass. This kept defenses honest and gave Campbell more time in the pocket, where he performed brilliantly. In his first 3 seasons, however, Campbell was the very definition of \"shell-shocked.\" He handled pressure terribly, and played even worse when frustrated and \"under the gun.\" He doesn\'t play well from behind (and the improvements on Auburn\'s defense helped him there last season). A team who drafts him needs to provide good protection, as historically Campbell will crack under pressure. I don\'t put much faith in the Wonderlic, but I\'m told he scored poorly, so there may be doubts about his ability to retain a pro-style offensive scheme. Just my opinion, but I think Campbell might be a nice fit for a team like the Ravens, Bills or Redskins (see other posts) who can supplement a simpler offense with strong defensive play, as well as featuing a capable RB to keep the opposing defense from \"sending the house.\" Campbell\'s fate - like so many others - will be determined by the system he\'s placed in. [Edited on 20/4/2005 by mutineer10]

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04-20-2005, 10:38 PM	#6
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Jason Campbell overrated? Maybe Mandel is a Tide or Auburn fan... We\'ve debated Campbell before, and those who really seem most against him (myself - a Tide fan, and baronm - an Auburn fan) must\'ve lost our enchantment b/c we saw him so much in college. I\'ll take nothing away from Campbell\'s ability, and I\'ll also concede he really had a brilliant season as a senior. Questions abound regarding whether Al Borgis (his 4th OC in 4 years) simply found a system to fit Campbell, or if he finally \"got it\" his senior year. Borgis implemented a simplified, play-action oriented west coast offense. It utilized the superb talents of Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams (something previous Auburn OC\'s were mysteriously unable to do), drawing the defense into the box and making them more susceptable to the play-action pass. This kept defenses honest and gave Campbell more time in the pocket, where he performed brilliantly. In his first 3 seasons, however, Campbell was the very definition of \"shell-shocked.\" He handled pressure terribly, and played even worse when frustrated and \"under the gun.\" He doesn\'t play well from behind (and the improvements on Auburn\'s defense helped him there last season). A team who drafts him needs to provide good protection, as historically Campbell will crack under pressure. I don\'t put much faith in the Wonderlic, but I\'m told he scored poorly, so there may be doubts about his ability to retain a pro-style offensive scheme. Just my opinion, but I think Campbell might be a nice fit for a team like the Ravens, Bills or Redskins (see other posts) who can supplement a simpler offense with strong defensive play, as well as featuing a capable RB to keep the opposing defense from \"sending the house.\" Campbell\'s fate - like so many others - will be determined by the system he\'s placed in. [Edited on 20/4/2005 by mutineer10] good post-my thoughts excatly...he is a great guy and a decent college quarterback..but put pressure on him and he gets the deer in the headlights look. the other thing not mentioned that bothers me is that he should up to the senior bowl with a slight belly..how do yougo from the season to poor conditioning? that is worrisome.
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