Cause of third down conversion problems

Rugby Saint II · 01-11-2018, 12:37 PM

The team that wins the third down battle should win with no other factors involved like turnovers.....or Drew Brees lighting it up!

Mardigras9 · 01-11-2018, 12:52 PM

And maybe even more important is winning 3rd downs defensively.

dizzle88 · 01-11-2018, 01:08 PM

The past 3 times Brees has thrown to Coleman on third down, he has fumbled. So that doesn't help at all.

Twice vs Jets and once last Sunday.

They look like they are trying to outsmart themselves on third down all the time, we used to go throw slants, curles or option routes for easy first downs in years past.

darksoul35 · 01-12-2018, 11:47 AM

Coleman had the ball hanging out a foot from his body. You would think he would be aware that he has been fumbling the ball lately.

Budsdrinker · 01-12-2018, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The past 3 times Brees has thrown to Coleman on third down, he has fumbled. So that doesn't help at all.

Twice vs Jets and once last Sunday.

They look like they are trying to outsmart themselves on third down all the time, we used to go throw slants, curles or option routes for easy first downs in years past.

Yes, but actually that was a converted 3rd down because Ingram recovered the ball. Biggest problem I see is play calling. It's 3rd and 5 and we're going for 35.
Just call a quick slant to Thomas and move the damn chains.

homerj07 · 01-12-2018, 01:56 PM

It is a puzzle how we go from one of the best into the middle of the road. Someone mentioned earlier lack of TE. BUT even when we had a fair complement of TEs we were having problems.

SmashMouth · 01-12-2018, 02:40 PM

TheOak · 01-12-2018, 07:59 PM

If you look all around 3rd down conversion percentage it actually tells a different story.

Saints 4th Down conversion Percentage 80% (#1 in the league)
Saints 3rd Down attempts 194 (lowest in the league)
Saints Yards per play 6.3 (#1 in the league)
Saints 1st downs per game 20.7 (tied for 7th with first only being 24.3)

Its as though we found a way to make 3rd less relevant.

spkb25 · 01-12-2018, 08:27 PM

i think it is TE situation and of receiver option

AlaskaSaints · 01-13-2018, 03:43 PM

I want to see Ingram AND Kamara in the backfield at the same time on 3rd-and-whatever.

01-11-2018, 12:37 PM	#11
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems The team that wins the third down battle should win with no other factors involved like turnovers.....or Drew Brees lighting it up! Mardigras9, Rell&Gold and darksoul35 like this.

01-11-2018, 12:52 PM	#12
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems And maybe even more important is winning 3rd downs defensively. homerj07, Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

01-11-2018, 01:08 PM	#13
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems The past 3 times Brees has thrown to Coleman on third down, he has fumbled. So that doesn't help at all. Twice vs Jets and once last Sunday. They look like they are trying to outsmart themselves on third down all the time, we used to go throw slants, curles or option routes for easy first downs in years past. AlaskaSaints, darksoul35 and MarchingOn like this.

01-12-2018, 11:47 AM	#14
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems Coleman had the ball hanging out a foot from his body. You would think he would be aware that he has been fumbling the ball lately.
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01-12-2018, 12:03 PM	#15
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems Originally Posted by dizzle88 The past 3 times Brees has thrown to Coleman on third down, he has fumbled. So that doesn't help at all. Twice vs Jets and once last Sunday. They look like they are trying to outsmart themselves on third down all the time, we used to go throw slants, curles or option routes for easy first downs in years past. Yes, but actually that was a converted 3rd down because Ingram recovered the ball. Biggest problem I see is play calling. It's 3rd and 5 and we're going for 35. Just call a quick slant to Thomas and move the damn chains. SaintFanInATLHELL, dizzle88 and AlaskaSaints like this.

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homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems It is a puzzle how we go from one of the best into the middle of the road. Someone mentioned earlier lack of TE. BUT even when we had a fair complement of TEs we were having problems.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,127 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems

01-12-2018, 07:59 PM	#18
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems If you look all around 3rd down conversion percentage it actually tells a different story. Saints 4th Down conversion Percentage 80% (#1 in the league) Saints 3rd Down attempts 194 (lowest in the league) Saints Yards per play 6.3 (#1 in the league) Saints 1st downs per game 20.7 (tied for 7th with first only being 24.3) Its as though we found a way to make 3rd less relevant. WhoDat!656 likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems i think it is TE situation and of receiver option

01-13-2018, 03:43 PM	#20
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Cause of third down conversion problems I want to see Ingram AND Kamara in the backfield at the same time on 3rd-and-whatever.