The Unexpected is gonna happen.

GumboBC · 04-21-2005, 02:58 PM

It feels as if the NFL Draft will never get here. Even though it's only a couple of days away.

I just got through reading an article in which Haslett and Loomis indicated they were interested in upgrading the LB corp.

The article talked about how the Saints haven't used a 1st round pick on a LB since Mark Fields.

However, it was also said that there are probably only 2 linebackers in the entire draft that are worthy of being picked in the 1st round.

Those 2-linebackers are Georgia's Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson of Texas.

While Thomas Davis primarily played safety in college, most NFL scouts think he will be an outstanding outside LB. And they think Davis will have very little trouble making the transition from safety to outside linebacker.

For the record: I'll be happy with either Thomas Davis or Derrick Johnson (if we somehow can trade up to get him)

But counting on the Saints to draft a LB in the 1st round is risky business. Or is it?

Even though the Saints have not selected a 1st round LB in the past few drafts, I believe they would have if the players they wanted were still on the board.

No?

In 2003, New Orleans eyed Georgia linebacker Boss Bailey with one of its two first-round picks in 2003, but scrapped the plan to move up and select Johnathan Sullivan. The club later tried to trade for Bailey in the second round but couldn't work out a deal.

Last year, the Saints targeted Miami (Fla.) linebackers Jon Vilma and D.J. Williams but were beaten to the punch by the New York Jets and Denver Broncos. When both players produced standout rookie seasons in a year when New Orleans finished last in the league in total defense, it only added to the frustration.

This year I think most fans are very sceptical about who Haslett and company will select in the 1st round. And I am too.

But I don't think the Saints will let their man get away this time.

And I really think the Saints are going to trade Howard in order to move up in the draft and select ......... Derrick Johnson of Texas.

[Edited on 21/4/2005 by GumboBC]

TheDeuce · 04-21-2005, 03:09 PM

I get that feeling too Gumbo. I think there\'s a lot of pressure on Haslett and the rest of the FO to get their man this year, especially after missing out on the one\'s they really wanted to get the last few years. I\'ve been saying it for the last 2 weeks, I really hope we get DJ!!!!!!!!!!!!

Danno · 04-21-2005, 03:17 PM

The way I see it, and the way they\'ve conducted their smokescreens in the past, its pretty obvious the pick won\'t be Davis or Barnes, the two they have stated they liked.

I think they pull a surprise and either
1. Trade up and land the guy they say is a 2nd rounder on their board (yeah right Mickey) Derrick Johnson. It\'ll depend on how the dominos fall and will include Darren Howard and a pick exchange of some sort.

2. Trade down for more picks. But since everyone else wants too also it may be difficult to get trade down value.

3. Pick the guy who unexpectedly slips (according to their rankings), maybe a Marcus Spears DE/DT LSU, or Shawne Merriman DE/LB Maryland to play the SAM, or Carlos Rogers CB Auburn.

The more I think about it the less likely I see it being Thomas Davis.

GumboBC · 04-21-2005, 03:22 PM

The more I think about it the less likely I see it being Thomas Davis.

Exactly, Danno.

When\'s the last time Haslett and Loomis told the truth about the draft?

I think Haslett said don\'t ever listen to him before the draft. That is .. unless you wanted to hear a bunch of lies !!

BreesFN9 · 04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

Just read my new SIG, It says it all.

4saintspirit · 04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

I definitely see us trading Howard and our 1st rounder to Dallas (if DJ is still on the board when they pick first) and a 3rd rounder -- But I think that is the only way we move up in the draft -- Other than that the way I see it is that we get a early 2nd round for Howard and use our first pick on Davis or Barron and the early second rounder on Chowder. Of course if by some miracle a Spears or Rolle drops into our lap all bets are off

TheDeuce · 04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

This is true, you can never listen to anybody from the Saints before the draft. My biggest concern going into the draft is that we\'re going to do that whole \'draft the guy who unexpectedly slipped to the 16th spot.\' (Will Smith)

On one hand it wouldn\'t be bad having a guy with more talent than is worthy of a #16 pick, but on the other hand, I don\'t want to be taking a player who isn\'t going to help us fill some of the NEEDS that we have. FOr example, if we take a Marcus Spears, I\'ll be pissed. Even though he\'s a very talented player, he isn\'t going to fill any glaring hole in our defense. That\'s my position.

saintswhodi · 04-21-2005, 03:32 PM

Exactly, Danno.

When\'s the last time Haslett and Loomis told the truth about the draft?

I think Haslett said don\'t ever listen to him before the draft. That is .. unless you wanted to hear a bunch of lies !!

We should only listen when they are talking about Sullivan right Gum?

GumboBC · 04-21-2005, 03:35 PM

saintswhodi --

Aren\'t you the guy who told us that the offense was to blame for the poor defense?

One more zinger before I go ....

Aren\'t you the one who suggested Haslett always told the truth during the regular season but always lied during the offseaon?

ZiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiNG

[Edited on 21/4/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 04-21-2005, 03:51 PM

saintswhodi --

Aren\'t you the guy who told us that the offense was to blame for the poor defense?

Um, no. I am the guy who told you an inept offense made an already BAD defense look worse. You\'ll get that right one day. :P

Aren\'t you the one who suggested Haslett always told the truth during the regular season but always lied during the offseaon?

Um, no. I am the guy that said I found an article of Haslett being critical of Sullivan DURING THE SEASON, while a certain Gumbo BC kept screaming to all who would listen that Sullivan was talented, used Haslett to back him up, then found an article written weeks after his statements(still trying to figure that one) as his proof.

Then this same individual, when confronted with this evidence, decided to go on a rant that I should never quote Haslett during the offseason. So actually, you are the one who said I am only to quote Haz during the season, to disguise how wrong you were.

Any more? And how long til the draft again?

[Edited on 21/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

04-21-2005, 02:58 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Unexpected is gonna happen. It feels as if the NFL Draft will never get here. Even though it's only a couple of days away. I just got through reading an article in which Haslett and Loomis indicated they were interested in upgrading the LB corp. The article talked about how the Saints haven't used a 1st round pick on a LB since Mark Fields. However, it was also said that there are probably only 2 linebackers in the entire draft that are worthy of being picked in the 1st round. Those 2-linebackers are Georgia's Thomas Davis and Derrick Johnson of Texas. While Thomas Davis primarily played safety in college, most NFL scouts think he will be an outstanding outside LB. And they think Davis will have very little trouble making the transition from safety to outside linebacker. For the record: I'll be happy with either Thomas Davis or Derrick Johnson (if we somehow can trade up to get him) But counting on the Saints to draft a LB in the 1st round is risky business. Or is it? Even though the Saints have not selected a 1st round LB in the past few drafts, I believe they would have if the players they wanted were still on the board. No? In 2003, New Orleans eyed Georgia linebacker Boss Bailey with one of its two first-round picks in 2003, but scrapped the plan to move up and select Johnathan Sullivan. The club later tried to trade for Bailey in the second round but couldn't work out a deal. Last year, the Saints targeted Miami (Fla.) linebackers Jon Vilma and D.J. Williams but were beaten to the punch by the New York Jets and Denver Broncos. When both players produced standout rookie seasons in a year when New Orleans finished last in the league in total defense, it only added to the frustration. This year I think most fans are very sceptical about who Haslett and company will select in the 1st round. And I am too. But I don't think the Saints will let their man get away this time. And I really think the Saints are going to trade Howard in order to move up in the draft and select ......... Derrick Johnson of Texas. [Edited on 21/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-21-2005, 03:09 PM	#2
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	The Unexpected is gonna happen. I get that feeling too Gumbo. I think there\'s a lot of pressure on Haslett and the rest of the FO to get their man this year, especially after missing out on the one\'s they really wanted to get the last few years. I\'ve been saying it for the last 2 weeks, I really hope we get DJ!!!!!!!!!!!!
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04-21-2005, 03:17 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	The Unexpected is gonna happen. The way I see it, and the way they\'ve conducted their smokescreens in the past, its pretty obvious the pick won\'t be Davis or Barnes, the two they have stated they liked. I think they pull a surprise and either 1. Trade up and land the guy they say is a 2nd rounder on their board (yeah right Mickey) Derrick Johnson. It\'ll depend on how the dominos fall and will include Darren Howard and a pick exchange of some sort. 2. Trade down for more picks. But since everyone else wants too also it may be difficult to get trade down value. 3. Pick the guy who unexpectedly slips (according to their rankings), maybe a Marcus Spears DE/DT LSU, or Shawne Merriman DE/LB Maryland to play the SAM, or Carlos Rogers CB Auburn. The more I think about it the less likely I see it being Thomas Davis.

04-21-2005, 03:22 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Unexpected is gonna happen. The more I think about it the less likely I see it being Thomas Davis. Exactly, Danno. When\'s the last time Haslett and Loomis told the truth about the draft? I think Haslett said don\'t ever listen to him before the draft. That is .. unless you wanted to hear a bunch of lies !!
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04-21-2005, 03:28 PM	#5
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04-21-2005, 03:28 PM	#6
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	The Unexpected is gonna happen. I definitely see us trading Howard and our 1st rounder to Dallas (if DJ is still on the board when they pick first) and a 3rd rounder -- But I think that is the only way we move up in the draft -- Other than that the way I see it is that we get a early 2nd round for Howard and use our first pick on Davis or Barron and the early second rounder on Chowder. Of course if by some miracle a Spears or Rolle drops into our lap all bets are off
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04-21-2005, 03:28 PM	#7
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	The Unexpected is gonna happen. This is true, you can never listen to anybody from the Saints before the draft. My biggest concern going into the draft is that we\'re going to do that whole \'draft the guy who unexpectedly slipped to the 16th spot.\' (Will Smith) On one hand it wouldn\'t be bad having a guy with more talent than is worthy of a #16 pick, but on the other hand, I don\'t want to be taking a player who isn\'t going to help us fill some of the NEEDS that we have. FOr example, if we take a Marcus Spears, I\'ll be pissed. Even though he\'s a very talented player, he isn\'t going to fill any glaring hole in our defense. That\'s my position.
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04-21-2005, 03:32 PM	#8
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Exactly, Danno. When\'s the last time Haslett and Loomis told the truth about the draft? I think Haslett said don\'t ever listen to him before the draft. That is .. unless you wanted to hear a bunch of lies !! We should only listen when they are talking about Sullivan right Gum?

04-21-2005, 03:35 PM	#9
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Unexpected is gonna happen. saintswhodi -- Aren\'t you the guy who told us that the offense was to blame for the poor defense? One more zinger before I go .... Aren\'t you the one who suggested Haslett always told the truth during the regular season but always lied during the offseaon? ZiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiNG [Edited on 21/4/2005 by GumboBC]
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04-21-2005, 03:51 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Unexpected is gonna happen. saintswhodi -- Aren\'t you the guy who told us that the offense was to blame for the poor defense? Um, no. I am the guy who told you an inept offense made an already BAD defense look worse. You\'ll get that right one day. :P Aren\'t you the one who suggested Haslett always told the truth during the regular season but always lied during the offseaon? Um, no. I am the guy that said I found an article of Haslett being critical of Sullivan DURING THE SEASON, while a certain Gumbo BC kept screaming to all who would listen that Sullivan was talented, used Haslett to back him up, then found an article written weeks after his statements(still trying to figure that one) as his proof. Then this same individual, when confronted with this evidence, decided to go on a rant that I should never quote Haslett during the offseason. So actually, you are the one who said I am only to quote Haz during the season, to disguise how wrong you were. Any more? And how long til the draft again? [Edited on 21/4/2005 by saintswhodi]