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saintfan 04-04-2018 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 797594)
Not that not overpaying was the wrong move with Graham - it was the right move. But not being able to convince him to come home at market value and become a Saints superstar again on a Title Run - they didn't have enough cache'...
Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)...

AsylumGuido 04-04-2018 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 797611)
Or maybe the NFLPA told him not to sign here and he let them lead him around on their leash (again)...
Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you.

Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place? He was always going to work out the new deal with the Saints anyway and was not going to be playing under the tag, therefore it wasn't going to affect the Saints cap even if he won the challenge.

All along it was a fuzzy area within the CBA that needed to be cleared up. Both the NFLPA and the NFL front office appeared to have wanted the subject resolved, as well. Even if the NFLPA wasn't urging Graham to pursue the challenge (which I have no doubt they urged him quite a bit), what makes Graham such a bad guy in your eyes for doing so?

I found the whole thing interesting and really never got the reaction of some of the fan base toward Graham who was little more than an outside observer wanting for the whole thing to be over so he could join him teammates, which he did just before training camp.

saintfan 04-04-2018 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 797617)
Since you brought that up again, I have had a question that I have been meaning to ask you.

Why, even if it was Graham being the driving force behind the challenging of the franchise tag designation, does it bother you? Why would you have an issue with it in the first place?
Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too.

At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him.

AsylumGuido 04-04-2018 10:02 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 797621)
Because the mantra coming out of his mouth was entirely opposite of his actions. Because he attempted to represent himself as "merely a pawn" of the NFLPA. Because he seemed to act as though the whole thing was out of his control. Because he was not a WR, was never a WR, still has never been a WR, and is never going to be a WR. He's a TE. I know it. You know it. His agent knew it. The NFLPA knew it. And, Jimmy knew it too.

At the end of the day, for whatever the reason(s) that you and I will surely never agree on, I lost a lot of respect for him.
Wait a minute. At NO point did Graham EVER attempt to represent himself as a pawn. Not one time. That was the opinion of the legal analysts and I, of course, agree. I used the word pawn. Perhaps you took that as being to strong. He was, of course, willing to go along with the NFLPA's wishes. Why not? What harm would there be to help clarify the designation rules?

And, at NO point did Graham EVER act as the whole thing was out of his control. Brees did comment in an interview that Graham was anxious to get the whole deal over with. That was the only mention of how Graham felt. That doesn't mean the "whole thing" was out of his control. I am saying that the idea to challenge belonged to the NFLPA and Graham obviously saw no reason to not challenge. What would it hurt. The vast majority of the time that litigation was occurring was during the down time between OTA's and training camp.

And, yes. Jimmy Graham even had his twitter signature stating he was an "NFL tight end" the whole time. But that doesn't explain why you are pissed off about it. It was simply a ruling that needed to be resolved within the CBA definitions.

Once again, why does it upset you so much? How did it affect you adversely?

Even if he was personally trying to get paid as a WR, what business is it of yours? Does it take money out of your pocket? How does it hurt you?

:confused:

saintfan 04-04-2018 01:13 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 797637)
Wait a minute. At NO point did Graham EVER attempt to represent himself as a pawn. Not one time. That was the opinion of the legal analysts and I, of course, agree. I used the word pawn. Perhaps you took that as being to strong. He was, of course, willing to go along with the NFLPA's wishes. Why not? What harm would there be to help clarify the designation rules?

And, at NO point did Graham EVER act as the whole thing was out of his control. Brees did comment in an interview that Graham was anxious to get the whole deal over with. That was the only mention of how Graham felt. That doesn't mean the "whole thing" was out of his control. I am saying that the idea to challenge belonged to the NFLPA and Graham obviously saw no reason to not challenge. What would it hurt. The vast majority of the time that litigation was occurring was during the down time between OTA's and training camp.

And, yes. Jimmy Graham even had his twitter signature stating he was an "NFL tight end" the whole time. But that doesn't explain why you are pissed off about it. It was simply a ruling that needed to be resolved within the CBA definitions.

Once again, why does it upset you so much? How did it affect you adversely?

Even if he was personally trying to get paid as a WR, what business is it of yours? Does it take money out of your pocket? How does it hurt you?

:confused:
Your defense of the man and his actions speak much more loudly than my fair assessment of how he handled those negotiations. It is you, after all, who has proclaimed to have read every word written on the subject. He hid behind his agent and the NFLPA for more money, regardless of whether he was quoted in the papers as having said so outright. I can respect a player who has out-performed his contract and holds out, but I cannot respect a man who hides his agenda. I hope that helps.

;)

jeanpierre 04-04-2018 04:13 PM
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Free agent options running thin for help at NT for the Saints...

jeanpierre 04-04-2018 04:26 PM
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jeanpierre 04-04-2018 04:32 PM
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Needing pass rushers, guess Saints FO have seen enough they're not impressed?

jeanpierre 04-04-2018 04:34 PM
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So is it the asking price why WR Jordan Matthews is still on the market?

jeanpierre 04-04-2018 05:25 PM
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Joe Flacco better look out...


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