Saints Offseason Checklist

01-17-2018, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Safety might be a need but it’s not a top five that’s for sure. Corner is huge this off season. PJ needs to go and he’s our #3 cb. Then TE, wr and defensive line. We will be losing Snead and Coleman. Fleener will be cut.

I’d be willing to bet Breaux beats out PJ for that third CB spot next season.

The Dude · 01-17-2018, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Missionary? Downward facing dog?

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hagan714 · 01-17-2018, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft.

A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season.

I have to agree. I would rather seee thae saints sign a plan old solid, proven all around player against both the run and the pass

Perry Riley MLB/OLB Oakland (29)_6010 239 4.69 Rd4 2010
He just gets the job done with no drama and would be a solid depth move.

The Dude · 01-17-2018, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I’d be willing to bet Breaux beats out PJ for that third CB spot next season.

If he can stay healthy. Also we really don’t know if he’s all that great. He showed flashes in a ****ty defense with not much of a standout cast in the backfield, now that could be a good or bad thing. He was also a penalty magnet. I just don’t know if we have seen enough of him consistently healthy.

May be an upgrade but if it’s only for 3-4 games a season what’s the point.

jeanpierre · 01-17-2018, 06:28 PM

(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

hagan714 · 01-17-2018, 06:55 PM

I still live the old world of football.

It all starts in the trenches.

43 NT is a top my wish list.
Gotta stuff the run and eat up double teams. Frees up every one in the front 7. I want a proven vet on the cheap.
DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014

Next is CB or safety.
Saints weakest spot in the secondary is slot coverage by both positions. I would like upgrades to both.

It is so hard to ponder CB.
A few issues need to be answered. Will Breaux come back and if so, does this give us slot CB on the roster?

Short list
Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014
Rashaan Melvin CB Colts (28) 6016 192 4.42 UDFA 2013
TJ Carrie CB/FS Raiders (27) 5115 205 4.43 #38 Rd 7 2014
Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars (26) 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014

Safety is much easier IMO. We need a new age SS.

Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51
Would be that proven modern day SS to take control of our young secondary and guide them. Stop asking him to play LB already. He was a man ahead of his times

Others I am watching
Mark Barron IB/SS Rams (28) 6010 222 4.54 Rd1 2012
Dontae Johnson FS/CB 49ers (26) 6021 208 4.45 Rd4 2014

Keeping an eye on
Deone Bucannon SS/FS/LB Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014
He was my next coming of Morgan Burnett. He is so misused in the desert

TE is so cap driven for me.
Pickings are thin this year. Last year was the loaded with split TE.

Slot WR? I am waiting to see what GB does with
Randall Cobb WR GB (27) 5102 191 4.46 Rd2 2011

LB? depth
Christian Jones OLB/ILB CHI 6031 249 4.68 2017 UDFA
Perry Riley MLB Oakland (29)_6010 439 4.69 Rd4 2010

Waiting to see what happens with
Pita Taumoepenu OLB/DE SF (23) 6010 243 4.67 Rd. 6 2017
Chris Smith DE Cincinati 6010 266 4.71 CIN 25 RD 5 2014

I would be absolutely giddy over
DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014
Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51

The Dude · 01-17-2018, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

Totally agree on Armstead. He’s got value even with injury history and as you said the recent press on him playing through pain raises his stock.
I think Kelemete can start in this league if he gets consistent reps at one position and get with the group. I don’t think we have had our entire starting line healthy for more than one or two games all year. You need consistency at that position group which hasn’t been possible with Armstead on the team.

Would love a good sideline to sideline linebacker like Deon Jones.

I disagree about the TE. Our 3rd down numbers would have been better with a legit TE to draw coverage (as long as it doesn’t become a consistent thing and forced.

I would be down with Graham at the right price. He’s a better blocker now but wold still command respect.

Danno · 01-17-2018, 07:15 PM

Needs in Free Agency
BPA in the draft

Its how teams stay competitive

K Major · 01-18-2018, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...[/B]

Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season.

As for linebacker - in my mind, this is a GLARING NEED. We are thin & at one point, we had our special teams ace STARTING (Robertson) in the middle. A good indicator of what direction a franchise is headed, look at a their contract. Craig has helped us no doubt but he's paid like a 'back up'. We'll make moves here.

Moving to the safety position notice Hagan, Chris and Triman have mentioned Morgan Burnett's name more than a few times. Why you ask? ..

Consistent production
He can play the boundary, center field & also around the LOS
He's coming from a good pedigree (GB)
Level of play
Attention to detail
This would be his 3rd contact (possibly coming at a lower price and upgrade)

Kenny has graded out as one of the worst safeties several years now. Inconsistent, bone headed decision making, suspensions etc. Deonne Buchannon & Mark Barron's are also upgrades at the position IMO.

It will be interesting to see what the front office does with Kenny & how expensive he will be to retain but there are other options & upgrades if he does walk.

TheOak · 01-18-2018, 12:24 PM

I have to ask my self, "Which statement is more true"? (Sorry been helping my girls with a lot of home work lately and I am starting to phrase my thoughts similarly lol)

1. The Saints are able to find talent and get the most value from their draft picks.

2. Mickey Loomis is capable of not overpaying a free agent.

Personally I am going to have to go with the draft. Rarely does someone get all of their credit card debt paid off and not find a way to run it back up again.

01-17-2018, 05:07 PM	#21
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01-17-2018, 06:19 PM	#22
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01-17-2018, 06:19 PM	#23
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by K Major I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft. A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season. I have to agree. I would rather seee thae saints sign a plan old solid, proven all around player against both the run and the pass Perry Riley MLB/OLB Oakland (29)_6010 239 4.69 Rd4 2010 He just gets the job done with no drama and would be a solid depth move.

01-17-2018, 06:24 PM	#24
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I’d be willing to bet Breaux beats out PJ for that third CB spot next season. If he can stay healthy. Also we really don’t know if he’s all that great. He showed flashes in a ****ty defense with not much of a standout cast in the backfield, now that could be a good or bad thing. He was also a penalty magnet. I just don’t know if we have seen enough of him consistently healthy. May be an upgrade but if it’s only for 3-4 games a season what’s the point.
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01-17-2018, 06:28 PM	#25
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist (1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3... (2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps... (3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade... (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there... MarchingOn likes this.
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01-17-2018, 06:55 PM	#26
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist I still live the old world of football. It all starts in the trenches. 43 NT is a top my wish list. Gotta stuff the run and eat up double teams. Frees up every one in the front 7. I want a proven vet on the cheap. DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 Next is CB or safety. Saints weakest spot in the secondary is slot coverage by both positions. I would like upgrades to both. It is so hard to ponder CB. A few issues need to be answered. Will Breaux come back and if so, does this give us slot CB on the roster? Short list Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014 Rashaan Melvin CB Colts (28) 6016 192 4.42 UDFA 2013 TJ Carrie CB/FS Raiders (27) 5115 205 4.43 #38 Rd 7 2014 Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars (26) 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014 Safety is much easier IMO. We need a new age SS. Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51 Would be that proven modern day SS to take control of our young secondary and guide them. Stop asking him to play LB already. He was a man ahead of his times Others I am watching Mark Barron IB/SS Rams (28) 6010 222 4.54 Rd1 2012 Dontae Johnson FS/CB 49ers (26) 6021 208 4.45 Rd4 2014 Keeping an eye on Deone Bucannon SS/FS/LB Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014 He was my next coming of Morgan Burnett. He is so misused in the desert TE is so cap driven for me. Pickings are thin this year. Last year was the loaded with split TE. Slot WR? I am waiting to see what GB does with Randall Cobb WR GB (27) 5102 191 4.46 Rd2 2011 LB? depth Christian Jones OLB/ILB CHI 6031 249 4.68 2017 UDFA Perry Riley MLB Oakland (29)_6010 439 4.69 Rd4 2010 Waiting to see what happens with Pita Taumoepenu OLB/DE SF (23) 6010 243 4.67 Rd. 6 2017 Chris Smith DE Cincinati 6010 266 4.71 CIN 25 RD 5 2014 I would be absolutely giddy over DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014 Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51 K Major likes this.
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01-17-2018, 07:09 PM	#27
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by jeanpierre (1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3... (2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps... (3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade... (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there... Totally agree on Armstead. He’s got value even with injury history and as you said the recent press on him playing through pain raises his stock. I think Kelemete can start in this league if he gets consistent reps at one position and get with the group. I don’t think we have had our entire starting line healthy for more than one or two games all year. You need consistency at that position group which hasn’t been possible with Armstead on the team. Would love a good sideline to sideline linebacker like Deon Jones. I disagree about the TE. Our 3rd down numbers would have been better with a legit TE to draw coverage (as long as it doesn’t become a consistent thing and forced. I would be down with Graham at the right price. He’s a better blocker now but wold still command respect.
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01-17-2018, 07:15 PM	#28
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01-18-2018, 09:18 AM	#29
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by jeanpierre (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...[/B] Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season. As for linebacker - in my mind, this is a GLARING NEED. We are thin & at one point, we had our special teams ace STARTING (Robertson) in the middle. A good indicator of what direction a franchise is headed, look at a their contract. Craig has helped us no doubt but he's paid like a 'back up'. We'll make moves here. Moving to the safety position notice Hagan, Chris and Triman have mentioned Morgan Burnett's name more than a few times. Why you ask? .. Consistent production He can play the boundary, center field & also around the LOS He's coming from a good pedigree (GB) Level of play Attention to detail This would be his 3rd contact (possibly coming at a lower price and upgrade) Kenny has graded out as one of the worst safeties several years now. Inconsistent, bone headed decision making, suspensions etc. Deonne Buchannon & Mark Barron's are also upgrades at the position IMO. It will be interesting to see what the front office does with Kenny & how expensive he will be to retain but there are other options & upgrades if he does walk.
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01-18-2018, 12:24 PM	#30
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,019	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist I have to ask my self, "Which statement is more true"? (Sorry been helping my girls with a lot of home work lately and I am starting to phrase my thoughts similarly lol) 1. The Saints are able to find talent and get the most value from their draft picks. 2. Mickey Loomis is capable of not overpaying a free agent. Personally I am going to have to go with the draft. Rarely does someone get all of their credit card debt paid off and not find a way to run it back up again.

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