Saints Offseason Checklist

hagan714 · 01-17-2018, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft.

A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season.

I have to agree. I would rather seee thae saints sign a plan old solid, proven all around player against both the run and the pass

Perry Riley MLB/OLB Oakland (29)_6010 239 4.69 Rd4 2010
He just gets the job done with no drama and would be a solid depth move.

spkb25 · 01-17-2018, 07:46 AM

We need a DE/DT first, agreed
Think we need a TE and WR too
Think we could use a CB

triman · 01-17-2018, 11:16 AM

Rankins is fine adding another quality DT would be a good move IMHO. Aaron Donald is all the proof you need to show how disruptive a penetrating DT can be

SaintFanInATLHELL · 01-17-2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

It’ll take some time to get over the loss in Minnesota but I know many of us look forward to he second season of NFL Football - the offseason. For me as a businessman I love the offseason almost as much as the regular season. Negotiating contracts, trades, prospects....it’s all there.

I’m interested to hear what you think our priorities are going into the dramatic 2018 Saints season.

1. Re-sign Brees to a two year deal ($38M)

That's non sensical. $19 million a year represents a nearly 25% pay cut from his last contract. Make it 2 years, $55 million, structured as a one year with and option payment for the second year, and you may have somewhere to start negotiating.

It's not forget that the Saints are on the hook for $18 million in dead cap for Brees even if he's not on the roster.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 01-17-2018, 01:28 PM

O-line
TE/WR
DT
DE

papz · 01-17-2018, 01:55 PM

Pass rusher
Sideline to sideline LB'er

jeanpierre · 01-17-2018, 06:28 PM

(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

The Dude · 01-17-2018, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

Totally agree on Armstead. He’s got value even with injury history and as you said the recent press on him playing through pain raises his stock.
I think Kelemete can start in this league if he gets consistent reps at one position and get with the group. I don’t think we have had our entire starting line healthy for more than one or two games all year. You need consistency at that position group which hasn’t been possible with Armstead on the team.

Would love a good sideline to sideline linebacker like Deon Jones.

I disagree about the TE. Our 3rd down numbers would have been better with a legit TE to draw coverage (as long as it doesn’t become a consistent thing and forced.

I would be down with Graham at the right price. He’s a better blocker now but wold still command respect.

K Major · 01-18-2018, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...[/B]

Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season.

As for linebacker - in my mind, this is a GLARING NEED. We are thin & at one point, we had our special teams ace STARTING (Robertson) in the middle. A good indicator of what direction a franchise is headed, look at a their contract. Craig has helped us no doubt but he's paid like a 'back up'. We'll make moves here.

Moving to the safety position notice Hagan, Chris and Triman have mentioned Morgan Burnett's name more than a few times. Why you ask? ..

Consistent production
He can play the boundary, center field & also around the LOS
He's coming from a good pedigree (GB)
Level of play
Attention to detail
This would be his 3rd contact (possibly coming at a lower price and upgrade)

Kenny has graded out as one of the worst safeties several years now. Inconsistent, bone headed decision making, suspensions etc. Deonne Buchannon & Mark Barron's are also upgrades at the position IMO.

It will be interesting to see what the front office does with Kenny & how expensive he will be to retain but there are other options & upgrades if he does walk.

jeanpierre · 01-18-2018, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season.

You did see where I said "Pursue Demarcus Lawrence IF he does hit the open market"?

No, I'd be shocked if he did and that's why I had that option down the list at No. 4...

But then again, who'd ever thought Lattimore would fall to us?

I just think we need to keep our cap flexibility ready in the event that Lawrence hit the market...

Know, Lord knows I know, we got burnt with signing the big shiny FA when we got the Byrd...

But DeMarcus Lawrence, across from Cam Jordan - that'd be sick!

But I just don't see Safeties Nor Linebackers hitting the market worth the money...

I'd rather send a few people packing, pick up some more draft picks, and build through the draft...

01-17-2018, 06:19 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by K Major I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft. A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season. I have to agree. I would rather seee thae saints sign a plan old solid, proven all around player against both the run and the pass Perry Riley MLB/OLB Oakland (29)_6010 239 4.69 Rd4 2010 He just gets the job done with no drama and would be a solid depth move.

01-17-2018, 07:46 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist We need a DE/DT first, agreed Think we need a TE and WR too Think we could use a CB

01-17-2018, 11:16 AM	#3
triman 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 783	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Rankins is fine adding another quality DT would be a good move IMHO. Aaron Donald is all the proof you need to show how disruptive a penetrating DT can be hagan714 likes this.
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01-17-2018, 12:32 PM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 It’ll take some time to get over the loss in Minnesota but I know many of us look forward to he second season of NFL Football - the offseason. For me as a businessman I love the offseason almost as much as the regular season. Negotiating contracts, trades, prospects....it’s all there. I’m interested to hear what you think our priorities are going into the dramatic 2018 Saints season. 1. Re-sign Brees to a two year deal ($38M) That's non sensical. $19 million a year represents a nearly 25% pay cut from his last contract. Make it 2 years, $55 million, structured as a one year with and option payment for the second year, and you may have somewhere to start negotiating. It's not forget that the Saints are on the hook for $18 million in dead cap for Brees even if he's not on the roster. SFIAH SaintGnome likes this.

01-17-2018, 01:28 PM	#5
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01-17-2018, 06:28 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist (1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3... (2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps... (3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade... (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there... MarchingOn likes this.
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01-17-2018, 07:09 PM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by jeanpierre (1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3... (2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps... (3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade... (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there... Totally agree on Armstead. He’s got value even with injury history and as you said the recent press on him playing through pain raises his stock. I think Kelemete can start in this league if he gets consistent reps at one position and get with the group. I don’t think we have had our entire starting line healthy for more than one or two games all year. You need consistency at that position group which hasn’t been possible with Armstead on the team. Would love a good sideline to sideline linebacker like Deon Jones. I disagree about the TE. Our 3rd down numbers would have been better with a legit TE to draw coverage (as long as it doesn’t become a consistent thing and forced. I would be down with Graham at the right price. He’s a better blocker now but wold still command respect.
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01-18-2018, 09:18 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by jeanpierre (4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league... (6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...[/B] Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season. As for linebacker - in my mind, this is a GLARING NEED. We are thin & at one point, we had our special teams ace STARTING (Robertson) in the middle. A good indicator of what direction a franchise is headed, look at a their contract. Craig has helped us no doubt but he's paid like a 'back up'. We'll make moves here. Moving to the safety position notice Hagan, Chris and Triman have mentioned Morgan Burnett's name more than a few times. Why you ask? .. Consistent production He can play the boundary, center field & also around the LOS He's coming from a good pedigree (GB) Level of play Attention to detail This would be his 3rd contact (possibly coming at a lower price and upgrade) Kenny has graded out as one of the worst safeties several years now. Inconsistent, bone headed decision making, suspensions etc. Deonne Buchannon & Mark Barron's are also upgrades at the position IMO. It will be interesting to see what the front office does with Kenny & how expensive he will be to retain but there are other options & upgrades if he does walk.

01-18-2018, 04:36 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Offseason Checklist Originally Posted by K Major Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season. You did see where I said "Pursue Demarcus Lawrence IF he does hit the open market"? No, I'd be shocked if he did and that's why I had that option down the list at No. 4... But then again, who'd ever thought Lattimore would fall to us? I just think we need to keep our cap flexibility ready in the event that Lawrence hit the market... Know, Lord knows I know, we got burnt with signing the big shiny FA when we got the Byrd... But DeMarcus Lawrence, across from Cam Jordan - that'd be sick! But I just don't see Safeties Nor Linebackers hitting the market worth the money... I'd rather send a few people packing, pick up some more draft picks, and build through the draft... K Major likes this.
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