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saintsfan1976 01-16-2018 06:06 AM

Saints Offseason Checklist
 
It’ll take some time to get over the loss in Minnesota but I know many of us look forward to he second season of NFL Football - the offseason. For me as a businessman I love the offseason almost as much as the regular season. Negotiating contracts, trades, prospects....it’s all there.

I’m interested to hear what you think our priorities are going into the dramatic 2018 Saints season.

1. Re-sign Brees to a two year deal ($38M)

hagan714 01-16-2018 06:38 AM

Re: Saints Offseason Checklist
 
43 NT
S
TE
CB
DE
LB
WR
RB
OL

Did I miss a position

Real Saint 01-16-2018 06:52 AM

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We really need to draft or sign a decent QB. Its just one play away from a nightmare happing. God bless Drew to stay healthy and we can get a good 2 year deal done. But we need someone to sit behind Drew to learn how to wake up go stretch, study ,workout, stretch more,study,go through your progression's in your mind and Practice Practice Practice. To do it the right way from the GOAT himself. And I'm not talking about Chase Daniel's even tho he's a good guy. Not the guy were going forward with. RE is really important for Dress few years left. Soikd dept on both sides of the line. One decent running back behind our 2 beast. And Linebacker we need someone to run side to side and cover from day one. And move Crawley over to slot and get a real #2 corner. We'll be set for years to come. #GOAT DREW

The Dude 01-16-2018 07:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 789660)
43 NT
S
TE
CB
DE
LB
WR
RB
OL

Did I miss a position

DE
WR
TE
OL
A LEGIT Qb to develop but not priority
we are pretty set everywhere else. Keep in mind all the starters out.
We have serious depth.

Budsdrinker 01-16-2018 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 789660)
43 NT
S
TE
CB
DE
LB
WR
RB
OL

Did I miss a position

You have them covered, just might need to be arranged in different priority.

Euphoria 01-16-2018 10:23 AM

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I think we hold firm on our drafting stradegy so far...
Then are trending on drafting at least one player on each level:
DB
LB
DL
OL
WR
RB/TE.

triman 01-17-2018 12:29 AM

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DE is still #1 priority
OLB
TE
DB
OL
WR
RB
KR

RailBoss 01-17-2018 01:53 AM

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DB's that can defend a Hail Mary Pass..

CheramieIII 01-17-2018 06:44 AM

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DB
TE
DL/DE
LB
OL
OL
OL

Taysom Hill is our next QB and he can run just as good as he passes!

blackangold 01-17-2018 07:41 AM

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Hill is pretty old already to be the next injection at QB, he'll be almost 30 when Brees retires.

Needs:
DT
DE
Playmaking WR/TE
OL

Our weakest position is still the Dline. Okafor was great but if we can’t stay healthy we need to look for another playmaker. The absence of Nick showed how average Rankins is, if he doesn’t play next to a pro bowl DT he won’t make plays.

spkb25 01-17-2018 07:46 AM

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We need a DE/DT first, agreed
Think we need a TE and WR too
Think we could use a CB

TheOak 01-17-2018 09:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 789660)
43 NT
S
TE
CB
DE
LB
WR
RB
OL

Did I miss a position

Missionary? Downward facing dog?

ChrisXVI 01-17-2018 09:32 AM

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Would you guys be interested in signing NaVorro Bowman? He’s a free agent and we had a deal in place to trade for him in October but it fell through...

According to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Niners agreed to ship Bowman to the New Orleans Saints for a seventh-round pick. However, the Saints learned that Bowman preferred to be a free agent and get to choose his next team, so the sides reneged on the deal.

So we know that we’re interested in him and now that we’re back to being contenders I’m sure he’d like to be here.

dizzle88 01-17-2018 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 789920)
Would you guys be interested in signing NaVorro Bowman? He’s a free agent and we had a deal in place to trade for him in October but it fell through...

According to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Niners agreed to ship Bowman to the New Orleans Saints for a seventh-round pick. However, the Saints learned that Bowman preferred to be a free agent and get to choose his next team, so the sides reneged on the deal.

So we know that we’re interested in him and now that we’re back to being contenders I’m sure he’d like to be here.

Not interested in a guy that shunned us before because we weren't worthy of his declining services.

Our LB corp would be in a good spot if they stopped getting injured every game.

K Major 01-17-2018 10:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 789920)
Would you guys be interested in signing NaVorro Bowman? He’s a free agent and we had a deal in place to trade for him in October but it fell through...

So we know that we’re interested in him and now that we’re back to being contenders I’m sure he’d like to be here.

I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft.

A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season.

triman 01-17-2018 11:16 AM

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Rankins is fine adding another quality DT would be a good move IMHO. Aaron Donald is all the proof you need to show how disruptive a penetrating DT can be

SaintFanInATLHELL 01-17-2018 12:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 789656)
It’ll take some time to get over the loss in Minnesota but I know many of us look forward to he second season of NFL Football - the offseason. For me as a businessman I love the offseason almost as much as the regular season. Negotiating contracts, trades, prospects....it’s all there.

I’m interested to hear what you think our priorities are going into the dramatic 2018 Saints season.

1. Re-sign Brees to a two year deal ($38M)

That's non sensical. $19 million a year represents a nearly 25% pay cut from his last contract. Make it 2 years, $55 million, structured as a one year with and option payment for the second year, and you may have somewhere to start negotiating.

It's not forget that the Saints are on the hook for $18 million in dead cap for Brees even if he's not on the roster.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II 01-17-2018 01:28 PM

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O-line
TE/WR
DT
DE

papz 01-17-2018 01:55 PM

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Pass rusher
Sideline to sideline LB'er

voodooido 01-17-2018 04:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 789660)
43 NT
S
TE
CB
DE
LB
WR
RB
OL

Did I miss a position

Safety might be a need but it’s not a top five that’s for sure. Corner is huge this off season. PJ needs to go and he’s our #3 cb. Then TE, wr and defensive line. We will be losing Snead and Coleman. Fleener will be cut.

Utah_Saint 01-17-2018 05:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 789960)
Safety might be a need but it’s not a top five that’s for sure. Corner is huge this off season. PJ needs to go and he’s our #3 cb. Then TE, wr and defensive line. We will be losing Snead and Coleman. Fleener will be cut.

I’d be willing to bet Breaux beats out PJ for that third CB spot next season.

The Dude 01-17-2018 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 789918)
Missionary? Downward facing dog?

aTm

hagan714 01-17-2018 06:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 789933)
I think that ship has sailed + Bowman had his chance. I'd prefer a younger guy with less wear and tear on his body. Just looking back we had Anthony, Laurinitus, Anzalone (jury still out), Feeney etc .. I believe that a sideline assassin is in the works for New Orleans, either in Free Agency or the draft.

A hard hitting LB that understands his assignments, has instincts & plays with aggression will be within our reach this off season.

I have to agree. I would rather seee thae saints sign a plan old solid, proven all around player against both the run and the pass

Perry Riley MLB/OLB Oakland (29)_6010 239 4.69 Rd4 2010

He just gets the job done with no drama and would be a solid depth move.

The Dude 01-17-2018 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 789962)
I’d be willing to bet Breaux beats out PJ for that third CB spot next season.

If he can stay healthy. Also we really don’t know if he’s all that great. He showed flashes in a ****ty defense with not much of a standout cast in the backfield, now that could be a good or bad thing. He was also a penalty magnet. I just don’t know if we have seen enough of him consistently healthy.

May be an upgrade but if it’s only for 3-4 games a season what’s the point.

jeanpierre 01-17-2018 06:28 PM

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(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

hagan714 01-17-2018 06:55 PM

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I still live the old world of football.

It all starts in the trenches.

43 NT is a top my wish list.
Gotta stuff the run and eat up double teams. Frees up every one in the front 7. I want a proven vet on the cheap.
DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014

Next is CB or safety.
Saints weakest spot in the secondary is slot coverage by both positions. I would like upgrades to both.

It is so hard to ponder CB.
A few issues need to be answered. Will Breaux come back and if so, does this give us slot CB on the roster?

Short list
Kyle Fuller CB Bears (25) 5116 190 4.40 Rd1 2014
Rashaan Melvin CB Colts (28) 6016 192 4.42 UDFA 2013
TJ Carrie CB/FS Raiders (27) 5115 205 4.43 #38 Rd 7 2014
Aaron Colvin CB Jaguars (26) 5113 177 4.51 Rd4 2014

Safety is much easier IMO. We need a new age SS.

Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51
Would be that proven modern day SS to take control of our young secondary and guide them. Stop asking him to play LB already. He was a man ahead of his times

Others I am watching
Mark Barron IB/SS Rams (28) 6010 222 4.54 Rd1 2012
Dontae Johnson FS/CB 49ers (26) 6021 208 4.45 Rd4 2014

Keeping an eye on
Deone Bucannon SS/FS/LB Cardinals (25) 6010 211 4.49 Rd.1 2014
He was my next coming of Morgan Burnett. He is so misused in the desert

TE is so cap driven for me.
Pickings are thin this year. Last year was the loaded with split TE.

Slot WR? I am waiting to see what GB does with
Randall Cobb WR GB (27) 5102 191 4.46 Rd2 2011

LB? depth
Christian Jones OLB/ILB CHI 6031 249 4.68 2017 UDFA
Perry Riley MLB Oakland (29)_6010 439 4.69 Rd4 2010

Waiting to see what happens with
Pita Taumoepenu OLB/DE SF (23) 6010 243 4.67 Rd. 6 2017
Chris Smith DE Cincinati 6010 266 4.71 CIN 25 RD 5 2014

I would be absolutely giddy over
DaQuan Jones DT/DE Titians (25) 6036 322 5.35 #90 R4 2014
Morgan Burnett SS/FS/CB/LB Packers (28) 6013 209 4.51

The Dude 01-17-2018 07:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 789973)
(1) Sign Andrew Norwell - This would give us an All-Pro at LG like we had in Carl Nicks and it'd take away a player from a division rival; the money to pay him could be found in a sign and trade of of Move No. 3...

(2) Sign Sheldon Richardson - Real problem with the pass rush is that pocket's not being collapsed so the edge rushers can finish. Rankins' game simply hasn't translated to the pro game at DT so he's been moved to WDE; and we could also bring back Justin Zimmer who's been lights out in CFL and now that he's had an opportunity at reps...

(3) Trade Armstead - Move him while there's still value. He's not played a full season since he was drafted; and there's more articles about how tough and brave he is to fight through injuries; anyone that needs that many stories of adulation when his teammates are toughing through the same bumps and bruises, it's time to move on to someone who will be available for more than 14 games in a regular season; Peat could move to his natural position of LT with two more years on his rookie contract and we could get a second, possibly late first round pick; or we could package Armstead with our 1st to move up significantly in round 1 and maybe get back a mid/late round pick, if Ireland's doing the trade...

(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...

(5) Tight End - Get the feeling Fleener isn't fitting into the chemistry with the Saints and that means it's time to move on; Graham is the ghost that'll be lingering out there in FA; if Graham would take Fleener's money, do the deal; otherwise, I'd look to others in FA or the draft; but I don't think you spend any more significantly as the success from this season showed we don't need a TE to play winning football. And who knows, maybe Graham learned to block in Seattle...

(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...

Totally agree on Armstead. He’s got value even with injury history and as you said the recent press on him playing through pain raises his stock.
I think Kelemete can start in this league if he gets consistent reps at one position and get with the group. I don’t think we have had our entire starting line healthy for more than one or two games all year. You need consistency at that position group which hasn’t been possible with Armstead on the team.

Would love a good sideline to sideline linebacker like Deon Jones.

I disagree about the TE. Our 3rd down numbers would have been better with a legit TE to draw coverage (as long as it doesn’t become a consistent thing and forced.

I would be down with Graham at the right price. He’s a better blocker now but wold still command respect.

Danno 01-17-2018 07:15 PM

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Needs in Free Agency
BPA in the draft

Its how teams stay competitive

K Major 01-18-2018 09:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 789973)
(4) Pursue Demarcus Lawrence if he does hit the open market and pursue him with every resource the Saints have available; while there's still plenty of upside with Hendrickson, Lawrence is playing at an elite level that matches Cam Jordan; and Okafor could return off injury as one of the best reserves in the league...


(6) Linebacker, Safety - while I'd agree we need depth at both, I'm not seeing anyone in Free Agency that's an improvement over what we have already, so I'd be cautious about spending there...[/B]

Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season.

As for linebacker - in my mind, this is a GLARING NEED. We are thin & at one point, we had our special teams ace STARTING (Robertson) in the middle. A good indicator of what direction a franchise is headed, look at a their contract. Craig has helped us no doubt but he's paid like a 'back up'. We'll make moves here.

Moving to the safety position notice Hagan, Chris and Triman have mentioned Morgan Burnett's name more than a few times. Why you ask? ..

Consistent production
He can play the boundary, center field & also around the LOS
He's coming from a good pedigree (GB)
Level of play
Attention to detail
This would be his 3rd contact (possibly coming at a lower price and upgrade)

Kenny has graded out as one of the worst safeties several years now. Inconsistent, bone headed decision making, suspensions etc. Deonne Buchannon & Mark Barron's are also upgrades at the position IMO.

It will be interesting to see what the front office does with Kenny & how expensive he will be to retain but there are other options & upgrades if he does walk.

TheOak 01-18-2018 12:24 PM

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I have to ask my self, "Which statement is more true"? (Sorry been helping my girls with a lot of home work lately and I am starting to phrase my thoughts similarly lol)

1. The Saints are able to find talent and get the most value from their draft picks.

2. Mickey Loomis is capable of not overpaying a free agent.

Personally I am going to have to go with the draft. Rarely does someone get all of their credit card debt paid off and not find a way to run it back up again.

K Major 01-18-2018 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 790031)
1. The Saints are able to find talent and get the most value from their draft picks.

2. Mickey Loomis is capable of not overpaying a free agent.

Personally I am going to have to go with the draft. Rarely does someone get all of their credit card debt paid off and not find a way to run it back up again.

Option #1 for me too. Potential is often times better than acquiring a Free Agent. The top teams do this (draft) year end and year out. Free agency should supplement a roster, not necessarily define it.

jeanpierre 01-18-2018 04:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 790013)
Nice try JP but Demarcus Lawrence is not leaving Deathstar Nation. Re-signing him will probably become their biggest priority this off season.

You did see where I said "Pursue Demarcus Lawrence IF he does hit the open market"?

No, I'd be shocked if he did and that's why I had that option down the list at No. 4...

But then again, who'd ever thought Lattimore would fall to us?

I just think we need to keep our cap flexibility ready in the event that Lawrence hit the market...

Know, Lord knows I know, we got burnt with signing the big shiny FA when we got the Byrd...

But DeMarcus Lawrence, across from Cam Jordan - that'd be sick!

But I just don't see Safeties Nor Linebackers hitting the market worth the money...

I'd rather send a few people packing, pick up some more draft picks, and build through the draft...

saintsfan1976 01-18-2018 04:50 PM

Re: Saints Offseason Checklist
 
DE - love Oak but hope to upgrade this spot
WR - love to see us go veteran here like Jarvis Landry
SS who can roam the line and cover
OG/OT of the future
LB - still looking for my sideline to sideline athlete

TheOak 01-18-2018 07:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 790061)
love Oak

Love you too

jeanpierre 01-19-2018 07:16 AM

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K Major 01-19-2018 02:22 PM

Re: Saints Offseason Checklist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 789960)
Corner is huge this off season. PJ needs to go and he’s our #3 cb. Then TE, wr and defensive line. We will be losing Snead and Coleman.

Snead ? ... possibly but I don't see coach Payton moving on from Brandon. He never quits on a play & we all know what type of blocker he is.

For a #4 WR, he was pretty damn good last season.

MarchingOn 01-19-2018 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 790124)
Snead ? ... possibly but I don't see coach Payton moving on from Brandon. He never quits on a play & we all know what type of blocker he is.

For a #4 WR, he was pretty damn good last season.

Yes, he has only 1 issue to fix and we all know what it is (including Brandon)

jeanpierre 01-20-2018 10:04 AM

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Been doing some opposition research on the Cowboys, and boy are they vulnerable this off-season...

They've got three key players to re-sign on defense DE Demarcus Lawrence, DE/DT David Irving (RFA), LB Anthony Hitchens...

Plus RG Zach Martin will be in the final year of his contract and the Cowboys will want to extend him...

Cowboys are four-plus deep at DE - DeMarcus Lawrence, David Irving, Tyrone Crawford, Taco Charlton...

And then there's prodigy Randy Gregory, his dope problems, but Charlton's selection may have been there tell...

Figure there's a one-in-ten chance that they let Lawrence hit the open market, but I'd still be ready for a move...

This is where it gets interesting...

David Irving is a 6'7" LDE, playing 3DT, a 24yo RFA with 4 sacks and 4 FF in 2016 with 7 sacks and a FF in 2017...

And MLB Anthony Hitchens who started slow in 2017 with a knee injury, replaced oft-injured Sean Lee at MLB...

Hitchens is looking for a honest effort to compete at the MIKE and the Saints are now contenders for next season...

The Cowboys are going to have to make a difficult decision and let at least one of these players likely go...

We're in a very good position this offseason...

Our three best FAs are Brees, Kelemete, and Vaccaro; then there's Okafor who had a late-season-ending injury...

Only wildcard is some players really like playing for the Big Markets - NYC, Dallas, Atlanta and LA...

Thirty3 01-20-2018 03:58 PM

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OT who can play guard like Peat. Understudy Center to Unger. DE and can always use another LB for competition.


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