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AP reports the Kansas City Chiefs were supposed to look to the draft for help at cornerback -- and they still might. They just don't have to do it in the first round.That's because the club is on the verge of making a trade with Miami that would send cornerback Patrick Surtain to the Chiefs for a second-round pick, the 46th overall, in Saturday's draft, NFL sources said early Friday. The deal, which could be announced Friday, is contingent upon Surtain passing a team physical. According to sources, this week the Chiefs reached a contractual settlement with Surtain on an extension -- clearing the way for the completion of negotiations with Miami. Surtain was entering the last year of his contract with the Dolphins and was given permission to seek a trade, with the Chiefs the most interested club. Terms of the trade were not complete, but league sources indicated the Chiefs surrendered the second-round choice they insisted they would not trade during talks the past month. Instead, they tried offering a fourth-rounder and combination of picks, but Miami was not interested. Until now. Making the deal not only clears over $6 million in cap space for the Dolphins, but it puts them into the second round of Saturday's NFL Draft. The Dolphins sacrificed their second-round choice to Philadelphia a year ago when they traded for quarterback A.J. Feeley. The Chiefs completed trade talks two days after it appeared they were slowing down. It is unclear what produced movement, but one NFL source said the Raiders' trade of cornerback Phillip Buchanon to Houston had an impact. The Texans surrendered second and third-round draft choices for the disgruntled Buchanon, who is younger but not as highly regarded as Surtain. Surtain fills an immediate need in Kansas City, where the Chiefs were last in pass defense and 31st overall. Surtain, 28, was named to the Pro Bowl twice and missed only four games in a seven-year career. He also joins former Miami teammate Sammy Knight in Kansas City. Knight, a safety, was acquired as a free-agent.

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Man....KC and Minnesota are digging in....

I wonder if we could get Woodson for a second?

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i hate the vikes but hafta say once more how impressed i am by their offseason makeover. THAT kinda front office aggressiveness after a team has been pretty much the same for 4 years is something that will excite fans and promote realistic optimism. even if their moves don\'t turn out ya gotta give\'m props for not standing pat again with a tweak here or there.

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High school football coach always said....if you\'re gonna mess up, mess up big. No one\'s gonna dog you out for that. At least you tried. Like the Saints with Sully. Yeah I\'m still mad at them, but only because they picked Sully, not because they had the balls to trade up. They\'d have picked Suggs, and we wouldn\'t be having this convo.

I admire Minnesota too. Minny\'s my surprise pick to make it to the NFC championship. Nate Burleson is my pick for breakout player of the year.

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Gotta agree GT and Kelley. Especially GT. I am not mad at all at the Saints for trading up in 2003, hell I expected it. I am mad at the pick they made. But for a few moments, I was excited at the prospect of a Kevin Williams or a Suggs or a Trufant. Short lived as it was. But if that forces them to back into a corner and cower, afraid to make more aggressive moves, then that one pick did more damage than initially thought. Minny is doing what they have needed to do for years to compete, put more balance to their team. They have been uber aggressive this offseason, something I wish we could say.

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...and if it would have been trufant or williams that ended up being a bust i could have hacked that. they were expected to go that high and perform as such. the f.o. chose to stretch for sully, a guy that would have likely been available at one of the picks they traded away.

this year if they choose jammal brown and he is a bust, so be it. similar to the sully move would be if they choose to take marcus johnson, og, ole miss at #16. he might would be gone, but just as likely could be there at #40, hell, possibly #82. if the sunshiners think they have seen pessimism now, let them make that move... and it is possible they will.

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Gotta agree with you again Kelley. What makes it worse is Trufant and Willaims AREN\'T busts, and have lived up to their picks, Williams even sooner than prob expected. He was in the pro bowl in his second year, getting double digit sacks as a DT. Egads. We coulda had that?????

And I don\'t think even the optimists will be able to run should we pull off another Sully-style gaffe with this draft. Hopeful realist, whatever, there\'s gonna be some harsh words on the board if we blow it like that again.

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For all of you guys who love what the Vikings and Chiefs have done ...

What do you predict their records to be this year?

12-4? 13-3? What?

Or 8-8?

Please tell us?!!

No beating around the bush either. ;)

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Barring key injuries(such as Priest with the Chiefs last year or a Culpepper going down), better than 8-8. :o

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You disappoint me, saintwhodi !!!

Better that 8-8? Is that the best prediction you can make?

I see for all the great players that the Chiefs and Vikings have signed that you still can\'t muster-up enough courage to make a real prediction?!

Try again?! ;)

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Wait, what makes you the authority on questioning everyone else. What do YOU think they will do? What is YOUR real prediction? Let us dissect YOUR response. :popcorn:

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Well, geez, saintwhodi !!

If I were betting a large amount of cash on what their records would be, then .... I would say 8-8!!

Your turn, buddy!! ;)

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I personally am not in the habit of predicting records. There are too many variables involved. However, the key is to put yourself in the best position to succeed. Can you say that KC and Minnesota have done a better job at that than the Saints? Absolutely. I don\'t see how anyone can disagree.

The Saints definitely did better this year, and it could be a lot better depending on how tomorrow goes. But KC and Minnesota definitely made strides to drastically improve their teams....that is all we are saying.

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Good call GT.

Not playing your game Gum. I make predictions on the Saints, not other teams. But GT put it best, are you gonna sit here and say the Saints have done MORE than those teams to improve? How about that for a real question?

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in the land of parody there aren\'t many teams out of 7-9 to 9-7 betting. how many before the draft? pats, eagles, colts, maybe the vikes n steelers on top and hardly anybody on the bottom, niners okay, redskins? giants?

i assume the paralells between the vikes under tice\'s reign and haz here are seen. more than any record, not staying with a same formula that has proven to yield only the same results is what i like about that situation. over a third of the league gets into the playoffs. i hope n desire is for this franchise to be much better than just bump into post season with the same erratic performance and mediocre record of the past few years. Four years is a lifetime in the win-now oriented nfl.

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Note: I\'m not speaking to everyone who likes what the Vikings and Chiefs have done. I\'m speaking to those folks who predict the Saints to finish 8-8 based on what they\'ve done in free-agency!!

So, some of you guys can tell me the Saints are likely to finish 8-8, but you\'re too scared to predict what the Vikings and Chiefs record will be.

I see ... :D

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by GumboBC]

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Yeah. scared, that\'s it. Hhhmm, since we post on a Saints board, who do we know about more, the Saints, or the vikes and Chiefs? I don\'t know who owns the Chiefs, I only know who owns the Vikes cause I live in TX and hear about McCombs often, but I have known who has owned the Saints since I have been watching football. I know how bringing in player A and not bringing in player B effects the SAINTS not anyone else. So what you are asking for is based on some free agent moves, albeit some damn good ones, and limited overall knowledge of a team, you want someone to predict an exact record for them? And you take the cowardly 8-8 and then call people scared when they won\'t take a guess based on limited knowledge? The Vikes were 8-8 last year and have gotten better where they needed to the most, defense. They got a pro bowl safety(Sharper), a pro bowl corner(Smoot) and an up and coming LB(Harris) and I am to think they won;t be better than 8-8? Plus they have two first round picks in the draft? The chiefs went 8-8 with their best player(Holmes) hurt half the year. They got a pro bowl corner(Surtain) and a damn good LB(Bell) plus a DE(Hall) and I am to assume with their best weapon back and upgrades at D they won\'t be better? And you took the cowardly 8-8? Please.

But to predict 8-8 for the Saints, who got a safety(wow), and a RG to play RT(I am really excited now) but basically kept the same team outside of those two moves is somehow a crime? Get a grip. And this is coming fromt he guy who himself said the Saints right now are at best an 8-8 team. Bud, try that on someone else.

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by saintswhodi]

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saintwhodi --

So, you freely admit that you don\'t know much about the NFL other than the Saints.

That explains a lot to me and why you say some of the things you say.

If you\'re scared ... say you\'re scared !!

I figured some of you would be tellin\' us how the Vikings and Chiefs were almost assured of being a true super bowl contender based on their great free-agent signings.

But, some of you are too scared because you don\'t want to be wrong.

So, I can only assume that no matter who the Saints signed in free-agency that some of you would still preach 8-8!

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Saints will go 9-7... hopefully we can manage a wildcard spot. If not, back to the drawing board. Minnesota may have made drastic strides, but who are to say they will have that chemistry? Look at Washington for a couple of years straight... they are the perfect example. Daniel Snyder spent millions and millions of dollars signing top notch free agents and it got them absolutely no where. Look at the players they used last year, a revamped no name defense who came relatively cheap. Sometimes the best move is no move at all, or minor acquistions who fit the \"team.\" Therefore I like what the Saints have done so far this offseason. By trading Howard tomorrow, it will get even better with an acqusition of an additional draft pick. I would have loved for us to sign Jamie Sharper... but oh well can\'t get everything in life.

My prediction for the Vikings 9-7... and the year after 10 plus games. Kansas City will have around the same thing depending on the health of Kendrall Bell. Getting Patrick Surtain will also help. There offense certainly can win them 10 plus games, but without a defense they won\'t make it far. Too many outstanding defenses in the AFC.

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THAT\'S what you took from my post? Wow. :seeingstars: I think that explains it all. :o

No, I freely admit that based on some free agent moves, albeit aggressive and good moves, I can\'t sit here and accurately predict a record for the Chiefs or the Vikes next year. What\'s your excuse for hardly knowing anything about the NFL and always blindly predicting the best possible outcome for a team you should know at least a little something about by now?

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saintwhodi --

I just went back and read your post again and how you explained why you can predict the Saints to suck but why you can\'t predict what the Vikings and Chiefs will do!!

That\'s some funny stuff, whodi!!

Here ... read what you said:

Oh, gawd .. that\'s really funny.

You base your predictions, at least in part, by who OWNS the team?

Hey, Jerry Jones owns the Cowboys!! I\'m sure you\'ve heard of him?!!

What will the Cowboy\'s record be?

Daniel Snyder owns the Redskins. Record?

Aruthor Blank owns the Falcons. Record?

LOL!!

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You two sound like an old married couple. :heartpump:

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whodi falls for his crock of, er, everytime.

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I do, isn\'t that a shame on me type situation Kelley. I really shoudl ignore him like you guys, but I can\'t help it. :shrug: Sometimes you like to watch the train wreck, sometimes you may help it along.

Gumbo, gumbo, gumbo, nice try. The point I was making is that I do not know the ins ad outs of these teams as well as I do the Saints. Who the owner is was an example, nothing more. But like Kelley says, I allow you to let me fall for your crock of :censored: every time, and that\'s shame on me. Try someone else bud. It seems easier to ignore you than to try to explain anything that might require common sense, cause it will go over your head.

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saintwhodi --

Nothing goes over my head...

But it seems my post was a little over your head.

Here\'s my point:

Why even bring up who owns the teams?

It\'s not relevent!!

All you had to say is \" I don\'t know enough about other teams to be making predictions\".

There was no need to say \" I don\'t know who owns the team\"


But, geez, thanks for telling me that you don\'t know who the owners are for other teams.

Another thing ... If you don\'t know enough about other teams to know what their records will be, then it seems like you would have no idea of what the Saints record would be.

I mean, afterall, the Saints play those \"other\" teams.

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:icon_bs: Didn\'t we lose to WINLESS Arizona and WINLESS Tampa Bay last year? How much do you need to know when you lose to WINLESS teams? Oy vay. Keep trying.

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Correct me if I\'m wrong .... BUT

Didn\'t the Pats lose to the Dolphins?

You just don\'t make a good point, saintwhodi.

Now get out there and make a good point. You can do it. I know you can.

:niko_saddam:

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You mean the Pats who lost to the Dolphins after they fired their coach and decided to actually play ball and with Brady having one of the worst games of his career? Seriously? That\'s your comeback to a team losing to two WINLESS teams in TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS? Wow, I give up. This is futile.

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Basically what you\'re telling me is the Pats had a good reason to lose to the last place Dolphins!!

That\'s far from making a good point, saintwhodi.

Now, get out there AGAIN!! You\'re bound to make a good point sooner or later.

Get up on that horse and keep getting back up until you accomplish your goal.

You can do it. ;)