Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Bring in a true slot corner via FA. I'm not ruling out Malcolm Butler either.

Draft a SS or see what it would take to acquire Morgan Burnett or take a flyer on Eric Reid.

Offer Breaux a vet minimum, let him compete for a roster spot. I don't think he's a lock to make this 2018 team.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Butler... if he had a chance to run to any team, we will be prime suspect.

We had a very good meet with him last off season before the trades were happening. He knows who we are after the time he spent last off season.

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PJ is depth, not a legit starter
Vaccaro will be gone
Breaux can't stay healthy
Rafael is depth
Vonn needs to be more consistent

We need upgrades in the secondary.

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I would rather have no safeties than Eric Reid. PJ is a joke and needs to go. Sign KV and have him play a lb/ss hybrid. Breaux for a vet min is a great idea. Make him prove he can play a full season.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

'76, What would you upgrade? Bell? Not a bad group of starters as they are now...

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 24 - Sterling Moore (Free Agent)

SS (3) 48 - Vonn Bell, 31 - Chris Banjo, 34 - Justin Hardee

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams, 25 - Rafael Bush (Free Agent)

LCB (3) 20 - Ken Crawley, 26 - P.J. Williams, 37 - Arthur Maulet

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Why?

Kenny will make one or two tackles at the line while in the box, most will spin it as a "good game". Then many will forget the 3-4 passes he gives up or the pass int in the same game. PFF rates him as CB because he plays so much slot & ranked as low as #116th. He's been a bad safety in zone.

As you state, you would like him to play LB/SS hybrid and this has been his only area that he excels (close to the line). Do you think the Saints will really want to pay TOP DOLLAR to do just that?

IMO, that money should be spent else where.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

If he wants top dollar let him walk. He’s good, not great. When he is playing up near the line it makes me remember his rookie year. Being the #3 safety on the field released some of the pressure I’m sure. Would love to see him back in that role.

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I remember when people was ready to give up on Crawley after his rookie year. Why give up on P.J.after his 1st full season? I truly believe his skill levels are the same as Malcolm but with more recovery speed.

Breaux, can you actually blame him for being injured? Remember Oschner doctors couldn't even diagnose a broken leg. To reach in the piggy bank for Malcolm will be a huge mistake, if anything go after Eric Reid or Navorro Bowman

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Maybe Arthur Maulet steps up this season.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

We run a lot of 3 safety. I see two young starters and one is inconsistent.

PJ is very average in the slot and certainty not a guy I trust on the outside.

Remember what our secondary looked like when Lattimore went down?

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Maybe Justin Hardee step up. Paying Malcolm big money will most definitely limit those two opportunity getting on the field. Remember, after a exceptional OTA, Crawley opportunities only came after Breaux injury, Harris ineffective, Moore being cut, and 2 horrific loses.

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I hope the Saints continue to develop Hardee.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

We need a slot corner. KV is not the answer there. He is limited in what he can do and I don't want to pay him starter money when his value is less than that to me.

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His big flaw is that he doesn't tackle well with others...

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Morgan Burnett.

And why on earth would Kenny take less money to stay in New Orleans?

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Yes he would.

Morgan is equally as good as Vacarro, however he does the job BETTER and has shown he is a more consistent player AND in deep zones he can be trusted so Marcus isn't out there as your single defender.

As for Vonn, he'll be allowed to be play the 3rd safety role (exit Rapheal Bush) & possibly a better player on the field.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Butler will cost too much to be a #3. I would bring Breaux back as well with the lowest tender. Reid is a cancer and would destroy the locker room. We got rid of the bad influences in the past couple of years. No reason to bring in another. Resign Bush and let KV walk if he wants an arm and a leg. I would rather sign Moore, Bush and Breaux for the price it might be for KV. We have bigger needs than a safety that may not even start. Need a WR to go with MT and Ginn. Maybe steal a TE in the draft. Not to mention our O-line.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

So Kenny V may have a market afterall?

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Vaccaro’s most certainly a goner. He would be a horrible fit in Rod Marinelli’s Tampa 2 scheme, but hey... not our problem.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

I'll take any of the 3 if KV market becomes to high to sign

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

^^^ Promising stat. Marcus Williams is one guy I'm not really worried about. Throw out the Vikings missed tackle, he was really good in 2017.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Or draft this guy :p. He can definitely impede your progress and also good in coverage.

You can never have enough dawgs on defense.

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One of my favorites! I was so sad to see him start being considered a 2nd round prospect after his Senior Bowl performance. This really is a terrible year to not have a 2nd round pick. You never know what will happen though. I’d be so happy if he’s there in the 3rd.

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

Re: Saints position outlook: While New Orleans' secondary is strong, it could get even better
 

He's getting better. I will say he is a very good blitzer but not quite as good as KVac is in the slot. Year #3 will be important for Bell. I'm still looking for a young gun who can operate in 2 high cover.

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Penciling Vonn Bell in as the starter scares me big time. He reportedly has very high football IQ but why is he so bad in coverage?