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jeanpierre 02-08-2018 05:34 PM
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jeanpierre 02-08-2018 09:32 PM
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Per Pro Football Reference, since signing his big contract in 2015-16 offseason, Armstead has only played in 17 games, available for one season of games...

Terron Armstead

Year GP GS
2013 6 2
2014 14 14
2015 13 13
2016 7 7
2017 10 10

Note: These number do not reflect games he did not finish...

Armstead cap number is currently No. 2 on the roster...

jeanpierre 02-09-2018 06:04 PM
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And it wasn't even close...

Rugby Saint II 02-10-2018 11:52 AM
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We can't afford to move Armstead this season but we will likely lose Kelemete so we need to draft another O-line early.

K Major 02-10-2018 01:13 PM
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We need quality depth + Armstead is injury prone. No guarantees Senio stays in New Orleans.

If the best player available @ 27 is a O lineman, take him.

The Dude 02-10-2018 05:10 PM
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I say pay Kelemente and keep Armstead another year or restructure his contract so it won’t hurt as much to part ways with him after next year.
I also don’t see why we can’t trade him. If he’s traded are we still on the hook for his cap numbers?
I don’t care if we don’t get value for him.

spkb25 02-10-2018 06:23 PM
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Need to pay Kelemente and either restructure armistead or trade him even if we have to eat some of his contract to do so. Hell of a player just to often injured

ChrisXVI 02-10-2018 08:23 PM
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Billy Price, C/G, Ohio State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 315

How can we pass on this guy if he’s still there @ 27? He can play all three interior positions.

Also, Max Unger will be 32 in April and only has two years left on his contract.

Barry from MS 02-11-2018 12:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 791999)
Billy Price, C/G, Ohio State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 315

How can we pass on this guy if he’s still there @ 27? He can play all three interior positions.
You don't pass on a guy like this at 27. We land him & we will have one of if not the best O-Line in the league for many years. This would only help an already good running game & bring along whatever QB succeeds Brees.

Plus it'll continue populating our Ohio State South Branch.

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 11:13 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 791999)
Billy Price, C/G, Ohio State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 315

How can we pass on this guy if he’s still there @ 27? He can play all three interior positions.

Also, Max Unger will be 32 in April and only has two years left on his contract.
Ragnow looks better, and this is a pretty deep draft; should Taven Bryan fall, I'd rather keep improving that defensive front seven right now...

Quenton Nelson and Frank Ragnow are the only offensive linemen I want in the first round, you can stand pat and pull some great O-linemen in later rounds

K Major 02-11-2018 11:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 792009)

Quenton Nelson and Frank Ragnow are the only offensive linemen I want in the first round, you can stand pat and pull some great O-linemen in later rounds[/B]
Meh ... I hope not.

Frank is a nice player but isn't dominant enough inside the trenches at 27. I doubt he is selected on day 1.

Billy Price on the other hand ... he'll give you a solid performance every week and never misses games, loves football, the gym and has a high football IQ but more importantly, he's a BUCKEYE ;).

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 792012)
Meh ... I hope not.

Frank is a nice player but isn't dominant enough inside the trenches at 27. I doubt he is selected on day 1.

Billy Price on the other hand ... he'll give you a solid performance every week and never misses games, loves football, the gym and has a high football IQ but more importantly, he's a BUCKEYE ;).
Can't hold the failures of his team against him; many had him graded not only the best center but best player in the SEC coming into this season...

Don't sleep, don't wink on Ragnow...

ChrisXVI 02-11-2018 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 792021)
Can't hold the failures of his team against him; many had him graded not only the best center but best player in the SEC coming into this season...

Don't sleep, don't wink on Ragnow...
I’m not denying his talent, but he’s probably the 3rd best center in the draft behind Billy Price and James Daniels (Iowa).

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 07:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 792028)
I’m not denying his talent, but he’s probably the 3rd best center in the draft behind Billy Price and James Daniels (Iowa).
I'm sorry, from what I've seen the past two seasons and what I consider the better opinions in scouting, Ragnow is the best center in the draft and second best interior offensive lineman behind Quenton Nelson...

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 07:32 PM
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Well, this makes me feel even better about getting out-maneuvered on Foster and having Ramczyk fall into our laps...

Wonder if he asked the arresting officers "Do you know who I am?"

ChrisXVI 02-11-2018 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 792031)
I'm sorry, from what I've seen the past two seasons and what I consider the better opinions in scouting, Ragnow is the best center in the draft and second best interior offensive lineman behind Quenton Nelson...
Great to see your emphatic support for him... It tells me a lot! I certainly appreciate your opinions on these things. The center position is so hard to project in the draft because for some reason those guys get pushed to the mid-rounds despite their importance.

jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 792039)
Great to see your emphatic support for him... It tells me a lot! I certainly appreciate your opinions on these things. The center position is so hard to project in the draft because for some reason those guys get pushed to the mid-rounds despite their importance.
And I failed to made this point yet - I'm not going crazy the size of Buckeye's Price or Bulldog's Wynn; makes me question fit in our zone-blocking scheme...

While Wynn had a great Senior Bowl, I think he gets exposed and limited when he faces full-time, well-coached NFL competition as he had great coaching at UGA...

As for Price, he struggled when the Buckeye's faced better interior competition; what Price has going for him is his versatility and a need by power running teams...

Two guys I like for the Saints more than Wynn and Price or Clapp and Bozeman - but both of those guys would likely sit their first season, barring injury...

jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:43 AM
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And this is a pretty deep draft of middle-round talent for all positions along the offensive line...

I could see the Saints taking as many as three offensive linemen to develop behind our terrific starters...

jeanpierre 02-12-2018 11:31 AM
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Pay this man!!!

jeanpierre 02-13-2018 12:19 AM
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jeanpierre 02-13-2018 02:43 PM
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Rugby Saint II 02-13-2018 04:33 PM
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I keep pounding the table for an O-lineman in the first round. However, I could see us drafting several mid round interior lineman and letting them battle it out in training camp for the sixth man. I don't believe that we will be able to afford Kelemete now that he's shown he's a starter in this league.

And without a second round draft pick we have too many positions of need to invest our only early round pick in what is already a good line. Although we don't have as many as needs like recent history did.

jeanpierre 02-15-2018 07:57 AM
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jeanpierre 02-16-2018 04:21 AM
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Upgrade the line with a 16 game/season beast, kick Peat over and save some coin AND get a high draft pick for Armstead...

jeanpierre 02-17-2018 03:31 PM
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jeanpierre 02-19-2018 12:49 AM
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What's amazing about PFF's own stat is how lowly they graded our offensive linemen individually...

jeanpierre 02-19-2018 08:43 AM
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The more you reflect, the more you realize how Kelemete played too many snaps for us to let him go...

He's really earned a fair shot at a starting gig, and with his versatility and availability has earned himself a nice check...

And with the Falcons needing a guard - I don't want to even geaux there...

jeanpierre 02-19-2018 01:37 PM
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jeanpierre 02-19-2018 05:30 PM
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My mid/late round gem I really like is Humboldt State's Alex Cappa; I like him as both a guard and a right tackle; if we got him with a fourth or fifth round pick, provided we killed it with our first picks, I'd be pumped...

jeanpierre 02-19-2018 11:16 PM
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CheramieIII 02-20-2018 04:00 AM
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Investments in the OL and DL with a WR and CB would be a great draft for me!

jeanpierre 02-23-2018 02:12 PM
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What?

jeanpierre 02-24-2018 05:52 PM
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Be an even better year if we retain and promote Kelemete...

ChrisXVI 02-24-2018 06:41 PM
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Kelemete is the reason we went out and spent big money on a guard last offseason.

jeanpierre 02-26-2018 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 792909)
Kelemete is the reason we went out and spent big money on a guard last offseason.
I'd say he made a major leap forward; plus, his playing ALL FIVE positions on the offensive line is valuable, LG, LT especially was important...

jeanpierre 02-26-2018 09:32 AM
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I still would love to add this guy at LG, move Peat to LT, move Armstead aka Mr. Glass for a high second round pick...

But Cleveland has a lot of cash to spend...

K Major 02-26-2018 09:36 AM
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Kelemente was as solid as they come in 2017. Quality back up but you gotta believe he's gone. He deserves a chance to shine (start) & I think someone will pay starter money for his services this season.

jeanpierre 02-26-2018 12:19 PM
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triman 02-28-2018 07:23 PM
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OL Depth must be addressed!!

jeanpierre 03-01-2018 04:21 PM
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