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jeanpierre 02-08-2018 09:44 PM

Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 

K Major 02-08-2018 10:19 PM

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Draft one.

Beastmode 02-08-2018 10:37 PM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
Think we draft a good blocking TE. Emergency check down that can grade the path for Kamara.

vpheughan 02-09-2018 11:44 AM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
Make sure he's a Kid from GA Tech so we can be "ALL ABUZZ" about him!

ScottF 02-09-2018 12:38 PM

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a lot of guys in that middle 2nd- to 3rd range.
Probably not worth it 27, but top 3-4 will be gone by 81. Really comes down to want SP thinks is a priority. Pairing the xtra 5th or 6th with a third to move up is a possibilty

2018 NFL draft: Tight End rankings | The Draft Wire

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triman 02-09-2018 12:47 PM

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I really like Dalton Schultz of Stanford he is an EXceptional blocker with good hands. I would pair him with a another deep threat TE. I think with our great THe we could really be effective run a task TE set.Trey Burton is FA TE that would make an excellent duo for us

saintsfan1976 02-09-2018 01:11 PM

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Need a TE who can open the seam in Sean’s offense. Fleener failed. Time to move on.

triman 02-09-2018 01:58 PM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
Lack of production from the TE was a big factor in our 3rd down conversions or lack thereof .
I think we need a total retool at TE!

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2018 02:43 PM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
We have blocking tight ends already with Hill and Houman. We need a true receiving tight end who can block and catch the ball. The seam used to be our go to route but we don't have a tight end who can get to the seam and settle in. Draft one if possible......please!

saintsfan1976 02-09-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 791941)
We have blocking tight ends already with Hill and Houman. We need a true receiving tight end who can block and catch the ball. The seam used to be our go to route but we don't have a tight end who can get to the seam and settle in. Draft one if possible......please!

Agreed. A total retool is not needed. Just an upgrade over Fleener.

And for Pete’s sake will we ever draft our LB of the future??

Danno 02-09-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 791921)
Make sure he's a Kid from GA Tech so we can be "ALL ABUZZ" about him!

:p

ChrisXVI 02-09-2018 05:15 PM

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I’m really not opposed to drafting Dallas Goedert in the first round if he’s still on the board.

jeanpierre 02-09-2018 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 791949)
I’m really not opposed to drafting Dallas Goedert in the first round if he’s still on the board.

Combine, Pro Day may actually make that a reality...

I'd really like to see us get another difference maker on the defensive line in the first round...

And I'd like us not spend it on a wide receiver we may have to trade down the road b/c of salary cap...

But I could live with an exceptional TE, but he'd also have to block, wear all the hats an all-around TE should...

FinSaint 02-10-2018 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 791945)
And for Pete’s sake will we ever draft our LB of the future??


They already did with AA.

Crusader 02-10-2018 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 791949)
I’m really not opposed to drafting Dallas Goedert in the first round if he’s still on the board.

I agree. I am very intrigued by him.

saintsfan1976 02-10-2018 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 791977)
They already did with AA.

How’d that work out?

AA is an outside guy. I’m asking for a true Jon Vilma type MLB

jeanpierre 02-10-2018 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 791979)
How’d that work out?

AA is an outside guy. I’m asking for a true Jon Vilma type MLB

Vilma? Was never impressed with him; an upgrade, yes, but not impressed with what we got in trade...

Thought that Fujita and Shanle did more and got less credit, more criticism than they deserved...

Totally agree we need that QB in the middle of the defense; and if we're using a first round pick, I want a Luke Kuechly-type...

jeanpierre 02-10-2018 07:42 AM

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Getting back to TE Dallas Goedert; most pre-draft rankings have him in the 40-60 range, and we have no picks there...

Unless...

K Major 02-10-2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 791977)
They already did with AA.

He has a ton of work to do. Alex hasn't made it through a full season of football since he was in high school. He also had a season ending every year since he became a starter at Florida ... same thing happened as a Saint in his rookie year.

We can't afford to go through another season being limited at the position. I hope he gets it together (stay healthy) but I don't see him as the answer.

K Major 02-10-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 791981)
Vilma? Was never impressed with him; an upgrade, yes, but not impressed with what we got in trade...

Thought that Fujita and Shanle did more and got less credit, more criticism than they deserved...

:confused:

Never impressed with Vilma JP? Huh?

When healthy, Jonathan was an absolute STUD in the middle. No way we even sniff a World Championship in 09 without him. He was a key piece and it was a 100% payoff in the trade. Fujita and Shanle were good pieces but hardly the caliber of JV. He was special.

I agree with 76 ... this team needs to continue to look for the next Vilma in the middle.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hi jack your original TE thread with the linebacker talk.

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 791989)
:confused:

Never impressed with Vilma JP? Huh?

When healthy, Jonathan was an absolute STUD in the middle. No way we even sniff a World Championship in 09 without him. He was a key piece and it was a 100% payoff in the trade. Fujita and Shanle were good pieces but hardly the caliber of JV. He was special.

I agree with 76 ... this team needs to continue to look for the next Vilma in the middle.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hi jack your original TE thread with the linebacker talk.

We were that bad at linebacker in the middle before Vilma; and I don't remember the Saints defense shutting down anyone that year...

I do remember the secondary led by Sharper creating a lot of turnovers...

voodooido 02-11-2018 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 791982)
Getting back to TE Dallas Goedert; most pre-draft rankings have him in the 40-60 range, and we have no picks there...

Unless...

He’s going late first round to early second. If we are lucky, we could trade back a few spots and still grab him. Honestly I wouldn’t be upset if we snagged him at 28. Think he’s our Olsen or ertz

jeanpierre 02-11-2018 05:34 PM

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Anyways, Free Agent pickings at Tight End are slim this year...
  1. Trey Burton, Eagles, 26yo
  2. Jimmy Graham, Seahawks, 31yo
  3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Jets, 25yo
  4. Tyler Eifert, Bengals, 27yo
  5. Cameron Brate, Buccaneers, 27yo
  6. Troy Niklas, Cardinals, 26 yo

I'm not as concerned about this position as others may be as we had an outstanding offense with the group we had...

However, I do believe we should draft or sign a big bodied TE who can post up in the red zone and on third downs and prefer that over drafting a WR high in the draft where our priorities should be the defensive front seven...

The Dude 02-11-2018 06:52 PM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
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Originally Posted by triman (Post 791937)
Lack of production from the TE was a big factor in our 3rd down conversions or lack thereof .
I think we need a total retool at TE!

I agree with this. Also the reason we struggled in the red zone early on until Payton found the run game. We play some good defenses next year and we need the option of going to a reliable TE.
Our blocking is fine.

jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:35 AM

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I'd prefer this to the Falcons; but I think the Saints drive up the signing price tag...


K Major 02-12-2018 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 792024)
  1. Trey Burton, Eagles, 26yo
  2. Jimmy Graham, Seahawks, 31yo
  3. Austin Sefarian-Jenkins, Jets, 25yo
  4. Tyler Eifert, Bengals, 27yo
  5. Cameron Brate, Buccaneers, 27yo
  6. Troy Niklas, Cardinals, 26 yo

I'm not as concerned about this position as others may be as we had an outstanding offense with the group we had...

I like all of those TE possibilities with the exception of TYLER EIFERT. Saints won't touch this guy in FA. Good talent but he's missed 22 games in the past two seasons :rolleyes: & has yet to show any consistency.

K Major 02-12-2018 10:33 AM

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Papa Voodoo 02-12-2018 11:08 AM

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We need to draft DE, LB, OL more than TE. Brees only has a short amount of time remaining. JG may be 31 but is still a great option because of that. B. Watson was older and had a better season than any TE we currently have. Someone will likely overpay so it's a moot point and we may just stick with Fleener.

jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:26 PM

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jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:26 PM

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jeanpierre 02-12-2018 07:28 PM

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jeanpierre 02-13-2018 12:22 AM

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Okay, give me a guy who can block and catch like Jimmy...


jeanpierre 02-13-2018 12:24 AM

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For those wanting a Tight End, Warning - Entering Man-Crush Zone


jeanpierre 02-14-2018 04:29 PM

Re: Saints tight end outlook: A long way from Jimmy Graham's heyday, what's next at TE spot?
 
If reports are accurate that Graham's market number will be between 7-8 mil, then I'd bring him back, releasing Colby...

But I still keep Goedert on my draft board to learn and pair with Graham...

jeanpierre 02-15-2018 08:05 AM

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Garry42 02-15-2018 02:15 PM

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I would really like seeing Jimmy back in the Black and Gold....at the right price it makes a lot of sense on many levels! He can provide the missing piece that is needed on Offence! This all assumes of course that Jimmy wants to come back! If he doesn't......stay away!

K Major 02-15-2018 02:45 PM

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Where have you been Garry?

jeanpierre 02-16-2018 04:09 AM

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jeanpierre 02-16-2018 09:30 AM

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So is blocking now more important at Tight End than Receiving for the Saints?


ChrisXVI 02-16-2018 10:25 AM

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Matt Miller's Scouting Notebook: Who Is the Best Player in 2018 Draft? | Bleacher Report

NFL Draft Sleeper: Florida State Tight End Ryan Izzo.

Breaking down Florida State film isn't easy when trying to watch receivers and tight ends because the team's passing attack is anemic, but Ryan Izzo still stood out in every game viewed. He's an aggressive, athletic tight end with a solid skill set as a blocker and the natural movement skills to get through coverage in his route tree. He's rising and could be a top-five tight end selection.


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