Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency

MatthewT · 02-26-2018, 10:52 AM

I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support. Until the Saints find better outside linebackers, that 3 safety formation will be necessary. The 3 safety formation with KV acting as a LB is exactly where he does his best work.

jnormand · 02-26-2018, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support. Until the Saints find better outside linebackers, that 3 safety formation will be necessary. The 3 safety formation with KV acting as a LB is exactly where he does his best work.

Exactly!!

K Major · 02-26-2018, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support.

I just can't see the Saints FO paying him top dollar to do just that.

saintfan · 02-26-2018, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I just can't see the Saints FO paying him top dollar to do just that.

Which is probably why he'll be gone. As is usually the case he's not as bad as some would represent, but he also has holes in his game, and we don't have the pieces to compensate. Onward - Upward.

voodooido · 02-26-2018, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Sad. A bust for a 1st rounder but not entirely his fault. Probably do well on a team with solid CB's.

Bust???? That’s harsh. Kid played great year one and a lack of other defensive studs caused him to dip off. Injuries also hurt him. Sullivan was a bust. KV, not so much.

ScottF · 02-26-2018, 03:43 PM

Pick a number and if he is good with it, great.
If some team is willing to overpay, there's no reason to get in a bidding war.

After missing 11 games in two years, he really shouldn't be commanding top $$

Beastmode · 02-26-2018, 05:26 PM

2013 draft, 15-through 25 half of those are now pro bowlers. Eric Reed, Xavier Jones, Desmond Trufant. That's three of them that went after Kenny. He was a bust when one considers we had over a 50% chance of landing a pro bowler if we pass.

I'm not questioning the pick though, it looked great on paper. We have a habit of picking players and using them in schemes that do not cater to their skillset which is what happened to Kenny. If you look at Kamara, he is doing exactly what he was doing in college and look what happened.

saintsfan1976 · 02-26-2018, 05:43 PM

Reality is that KV in a certain, specific role is valuable. IF healthy. But that type of player still is only worth so much money. So if he’s all in on New Orleans and willing to accept his role as a one-dimensional safety in this defense then I’m happy to see him here. I just don’t think that’s the case.

halloween 65 · 02-26-2018, 08:04 PM

Can't say I'll miss him for a second.

K Major · 02-27-2018, 03:09 PM

Orlando Scandrick likely on his way out of Dallas – ProFootballTalk

The Cowboys tried to deal Scandrick to the Saints during the draft last year in return for safety Kenny Vaccaro, via Clarence Hill of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

I wasn't aware of this ^^^ ^^^.

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MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support. Until the Saints find better outside linebackers, that 3 safety formation will be necessary. The 3 safety formation with KV acting as a LB is exactly where he does his best work. saintfan, jnormand, Rsanders24 and 1 others like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Originally Posted by MatthewT I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support. Until the Saints find better outside linebackers, that 3 safety formation will be necessary. The 3 safety formation with KV acting as a LB is exactly where he does his best work. Exactly!!

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Originally Posted by MatthewT I am not against KV leaving, but I think if he leaves, it will create a bigger issue than we realize. Yes, he sucks on the back end/zone defense, but he is pretty darn good as a hybrid LB/SS playing around the line and covering TE's, or slower RB's, and playing run support. I just can't see the Saints FO paying him top dollar to do just that. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Originally Posted by K Major I just can't see the Saints FO paying him top dollar to do just that. Which is probably why he'll be gone. As is usually the case he's not as bad as some would represent, but he also has holes in his game, and we don't have the pieces to compensate. Onward - Upward. MatthewT likes this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Originally Posted by Beastmode Sad. A bust for a 1st rounder but not entirely his fault. Probably do well on a team with solid CB's. Bust???? That’s harsh. Kid played great year one and a lack of other defensive studs caused him to dip off. Injuries also hurt him. Sullivan was a bust. KV, not so much. jnormand likes this.
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Reality is that KV in a certain, specific role is valuable. IF healthy. But that type of player still is only worth so much money. So if he’s all in on New Orleans and willing to accept his role as a one-dimensional safety in this defense then I’m happy to see him here. I just don’t think that’s the case. K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kenny Vaccaro expected to leave New Orleans in free agency Orlando Scandrick likely on his way out of Dallas – ProFootballTalk The Cowboys tried to deal Scandrick to the Saints during the draft last year in return for safety Kenny Vaccaro, via Clarence Hill of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. I wasn't aware of this ^^^ ^^^. ChrisXVI likes this.