LAST YEAR

ScottyRo · 04-24-2005, 12:10 AM

If I remember correctly (and I do) there were plenty of people on this very site whining about the picks Loomis made. They went on and on about who we should have gotten here and who we should have gotten there.

Well, as it turns out, last was a pretty good draft for our team. We had 3 of the 7 starting by season's end and a 4th (Will Smith) showiing how good of a pick he was. A 5th (Henderson) should have been on the field, but apparently couldn't digest the playbook.

Yep, the picks obviosuly were horrible. Good thing we had all you complainers pointing it out to us.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-24-2005, 01:16 AM

..then again, anyone can start on a 8-8 team...

JKool · 04-24-2005, 01:24 AM

Sweet. Sign me up. What\'s the league minimum? 250,000? Yup, that is like five years\' salary for me! I\'m in.

If anyone can play for an 8-8 team, does that mean I can get a starting sallary on a 4-12 team? Woohoo! I\'ll be rollin\' in it.

saintswhodi · 04-24-2005, 11:26 AM

Wow, last year we picked another second rounder who didn\'t see the field. I am impressed. And who complained about Will Smith? I didn\'t. I was glad he wasn\'t a DT, and knew Howard was at the end of the road. And our draft picks started becase of injuries, not because of overwhelming play. They had actually benched Watson, see Ruff getting burned in the first Tampa game by a TE. And we were 4-8 when they got playing time. Yeah, sounds like a team heading for the playoffs cause of their rookies. But I guess things can be spun any way possible.

ssmitty · 04-24-2005, 01:23 PM

Wow, last year we picked another second rounder who didn\'t see the field. I am impressed. And who complained about Will Smith? I didn\'t. I was glad he wasn\'t a DT, and knew Howard was at the end of the road. And our draft picks started becase of injuries, not because of overwhelming play. They had actually benched Watson, see Ruff getting burned in the first Tampa game by a TE. And we were 4-8 when they got playing time. Yeah, sounds like a team heading for the playoffs cause of their rookies. But I guess things can be spun any way possible.

howard at the end of the road? which howard are you talking about? again, to think the saints would just give away one of their best players for a roll in the draft, i just don\'t see it. oviously, the saints don\'t see it just yet either, but there\'s still the 6th and 7th to be had...........smitty

GumboBC · 04-24-2005, 01:26 PM

smitty --

Now you see why WhoDat is egging whodi about Howard still being here.

If you listen to whodi, then you\'d think Howard is some washed-up bum that should be kicked off the team because he can no longer produce.

I don\'t know why saintwhodi has it in for Howard. But he does!

saintswhodi · 04-24-2005, 01:32 PM

Gumbo, you seriously can not be this simple, but I guess anything is possible.

I told WhoDat two days before the draft I would not be surprised if Howard was still here after the draft.

I am not the only one saying he needs to be traded, but some things are too complicated to see I guess.

End of the road meaning here, in New Orleans, his contract was coming up. Not as a player. Nice try.

I guess I have it in for Howard, when the team spent the whole off-season trying to trade him. I guess they have it in for him too huh? But what do I expect from a guy who wants to have Brooks\' baby.

FrenzyFan · 04-24-2005, 02:02 PM

Last year:

Will Smith - good pick in a position we were already deep in - we needed a LB.
Devery Henderson - never played, second round pick with no impact whatsoever
Courtney Watson - Jury still out, played but only after everyone else proved they were worse. May turn into something eventually.
Mike Karney - Played because we have no other FB, even so he didn\'t start the year because of the 2 TE set. That\'s how much confidence they had in him in the beginning. I like the guy, though.
Rodney Liesle - Never saw the field, even though he is a DT. Howard Green played, but not him.
Colby Bockwoldt - 7th rounder winds up starting in our LB corp, not an indication he is good but rather how bad the others are.

Yeah, great draft last year.

ScottyRo · 04-25-2005, 10:03 AM

I guess you expect all 7 to start. That\'s realism, baby!

I disagree with your analysis of Watson and Karney. First, Karney started after we abandoned that rediculous 2 TE set. It\'s not like they decided to go to the 2 TE set because they drafted him. That was in the works all offseason, obviously.

As far as Watson, I thought he played well for a rookie. He began the season as starter, if I remember correctly, and was replaced when Haz started freaking about the losing record.

BTW, Bock was so bad that the defense got better while he was starting! That sucks for a 7 round pick.

Like I said, I guess you expect them all to start.

JKool · 04-25-2005, 10:11 AM

I disagree with your analysis of Watson and Karney. First, Karney started after we abandoned that rediculous 2 TE set. It\'s not like they decided to go to the 2 TE set because they drafted him. That was in the works all offseason, obviously.

I agree completely. Karney is a beast, and a damn fine FB. That was a GREAT pick.

Also, we traded a 3rd for a 2nd rounder last year. That 2nd allowed us to get Mike McKenzie. Also a damn fine move in my book. We should have traded our 4th this year for a 3rd next year.

Watson is also the best LB on our team. Say what you want about how good our other LBs are, that fact alone makes him a good pick.

We pick a guy in the 7th who ends up starting, makes a great special teams contribution and people are complaining? Go see how many 7th rounders even made their squads last year, then we\'ll talk (and I\'ll eat my words on this if it is more than a handful).

04-24-2005, 12:10 AM	#1
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	LAST YEAR If I remember correctly (and I do) there were plenty of people on this very site whining about the picks Loomis made. They went on and on about who we should have gotten here and who we should have gotten there. Well, as it turns out, last was a pretty good draft for our team. We had 3 of the 7 starting by season's end and a 4th (Will Smith) showiing how good of a pick he was. A 5th (Henderson) should have been on the field, but apparently couldn't digest the playbook. Yep, the picks obviosuly were horrible. Good thing we had all you complainers pointing it out to us.

04-24-2005, 01:16 AM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	LAST YEAR ..then again, anyone can start on a 8-8 team...

04-24-2005, 01:24 AM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	LAST YEAR Sweet. Sign me up. What\'s the league minimum? 250,000? Yup, that is like five years\' salary for me! I\'m in. If anyone can play for an 8-8 team, does that mean I can get a starting sallary on a 4-12 team? Woohoo! I\'ll be rollin\' in it.

04-24-2005, 11:26 AM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	LAST YEAR Wow, last year we picked another second rounder who didn\'t see the field. I am impressed. And who complained about Will Smith? I didn\'t. I was glad he wasn\'t a DT, and knew Howard was at the end of the road. And our draft picks started becase of injuries, not because of overwhelming play. They had actually benched Watson, see Ruff getting burned in the first Tampa game by a TE. And we were 4-8 when they got playing time. Yeah, sounds like a team heading for the playoffs cause of their rookies. But I guess things can be spun any way possible.

04-24-2005, 01:23 PM	#5
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	LAST YEAR Wow, last year we picked another second rounder who didn\'t see the field. I am impressed. And who complained about Will Smith? I didn\'t. I was glad he wasn\'t a DT, and knew Howard was at the end of the road. And our draft picks started becase of injuries, not because of overwhelming play. They had actually benched Watson, see Ruff getting burned in the first Tampa game by a TE. And we were 4-8 when they got playing time. Yeah, sounds like a team heading for the playoffs cause of their rookies. But I guess things can be spun any way possible. howard at the end of the road? which howard are you talking about? again, to think the saints would just give away one of their best players for a roll in the draft, i just don\'t see it. oviously, the saints don\'t see it just yet either, but there\'s still the 6th and 7th to be had...........smitty
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04-24-2005, 01:26 PM	#6
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04-24-2005, 01:32 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	LAST YEAR Gumbo, you seriously can not be this simple, but I guess anything is possible. I told WhoDat two days before the draft I would not be surprised if Howard was still here after the draft. I am not the only one saying he needs to be traded, but some things are too complicated to see I guess. End of the road meaning here, in New Orleans, his contract was coming up. Not as a player. Nice try. I guess I have it in for Howard, when the team spent the whole off-season trying to trade him. I guess they have it in for him too huh? But what do I expect from a guy who wants to have Brooks\' baby.

04-24-2005, 02:02 PM	#8
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	LAST YEAR Last year: Will Smith - good pick in a position we were already deep in - we needed a LB. Devery Henderson - never played, second round pick with no impact whatsoever Courtney Watson - Jury still out, played but only after everyone else proved they were worse. May turn into something eventually. Mike Karney - Played because we have no other FB, even so he didn\'t start the year because of the 2 TE set. That\'s how much confidence they had in him in the beginning. I like the guy, though. Rodney Liesle - Never saw the field, even though he is a DT. Howard Green played, but not him. Colby Bockwoldt - 7th rounder winds up starting in our LB corp, not an indication he is good but rather how bad the others are. Yeah, great draft last year.
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04-25-2005, 10:03 AM	#9
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	LAST YEAR I guess you expect all 7 to start. That\'s realism, baby! I disagree with your analysis of Watson and Karney. First, Karney started after we abandoned that rediculous 2 TE set. It\'s not like they decided to go to the 2 TE set because they drafted him. That was in the works all offseason, obviously. As far as Watson, I thought he played well for a rookie. He began the season as starter, if I remember correctly, and was replaced when Haz started freaking about the losing record. BTW, Bock was so bad that the defense got better while he was starting! That sucks for a 7 round pick. Like I said, I guess you expect them all to start.

04-25-2005, 10:11 AM	#10
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	LAST YEAR I disagree with your analysis of Watson and Karney. First, Karney started after we abandoned that rediculous 2 TE set. It\'s not like they decided to go to the 2 TE set because they drafted him. That was in the works all offseason, obviously. I agree completely. Karney is a beast, and a damn fine FB. That was a GREAT pick. Also, we traded a 3rd for a 2nd rounder last year. That 2nd allowed us to get Mike McKenzie. Also a damn fine move in my book. We should have traded our 4th this year for a 3rd next year. Watson is also the best LB on our team. Say what you want about how good our other LBs are, that fact alone makes him a good pick. We pick a guy in the 7th who ends up starting, makes a great special teams contribution and people are complaining? Go see how many 7th rounders even made their squads last year, then we\'ll talk (and I\'ll eat my words on this if it is more than a handful).
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