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SmashMouth 03-08-2018 12:31 PM

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The New Orleans Saints had a formal interview with former Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield at the NFL combine last week, but the team is apparently hoping to learn more about Mayfield as the draft process continued.

According to a Sports Illustrated story detailing Mayfield's combine experience, the Saints are among a group of teams planning a private workout with Mayfield in Norman, Okla., at some point after the Sooners' pro day next Wednesday.

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The Browns, Jets, Dolphins are making similar plans with Mayfield, per the report.

The Saints typically interview all of the top quarterbacks at the combine, but a private workout would be indication of legitimate interest in Mayfield, the 2017 Heisman Trophy winner. Most draft projections have Mayfield off the board before the Saints' first pick at No. 27, but if he falls, perhaps the Saints think he'd be a candidate to succeed Drew Brees.

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K Major 03-08-2018 01:13 PM

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Nice but damn, I don't think Baker falls outside of the top 10.

Side note - NFL analyst Greg Cosell did a recent review of all of the QB's in the 2018 draft and he is really high on BM. Raved about his accuracy, timing and pocket presence.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2018 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 793933)
Nice but damn, I don't think Baker falls outside of the top 10.

Side note - NFL analyst Greg Cosell did a recent review of all of the QB's in the 2018 draft and he is really high on BM. Raved about his accuracy, timing and pocket presence.

Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller, on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains, couldn't say enough about his accuracy and knowledge. They too mentioned timing and pocket presence in a manner of speaking.

Beastmode 03-08-2018 02:20 PM

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We have no ability to get him other than trading our whole draft and even that might not work. He's going top 10, maybe top 5.

voodooido 03-08-2018 02:23 PM

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6 days and counting until d-Day. We sign drew before the 14th or we get a cap hit of 18 million reguardless if he signs.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2018 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 793944)
6 days and counting until d-Day. We sign drew before the 14th or we get a cap hit of 18 million reguardless if he signs.

No reason to do the deal before the last moment. It would be best to have all options still open until then. Something may come up that requires the deal to be structured in a certain manner. That's why I feel the bulk of the deal is already worked out with cap implications still flexible.

voodooido 03-08-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793947)
No reason to do the deal before the last moment. It would be best to have all options still open until then. Something may come up that requires the deal to be structured in a certain manner. That's why I feel the bulk of the deal is already worked out with cap implications still flexible.


Hope your right. Feel like im waiting on a pregnancy test........

ChrisXVI 03-08-2018 05:21 PM

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We did the same with Patrick Mahomes last year because we planned on drafting him if he was available.

Kansas City had the same pick as us last year (27) and to trade up to 10 it only cost them #27, #91 and this yearís 1st.

If Payton wants him bad enough and heís still available at 10 I wouldnít be surprised if we made that same trade.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2018 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793979)
We did the same with Patrick Mahomes last year because we planned on drafting him if he was available.

Kansas City had the same pick as us last year (27) and to trade up to 10 it only cost them #27, #91 and this yearís 1st.

If Payton wants him bad enough and heís still available at 10 I wouldnít be surprised if we made that same trade.

KC did it because they were moving on from their QB. If they know and believe what Brees says about playing well into his forties then it would not make sense.

Euphoria 03-08-2018 05:54 PM

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No way he falls to us.

But Saints kick tires and talk/work out EVERYONE. So its no surprise.

If we make a run at him we'd have to think we'd have to move up to #1 as the first oppitunity to snag him. At what cost???

ChrisXVI 03-08-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793985)
KC did it because they were moving on from their QB. If they know and believe what Brees says about playing well into his forties then it would not make sense.

Not really up to Brees. If Payton wants to start grooming a young QB he will.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2018 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793987)
Not really up to Brees.

No, but why would the Saints choose to move on from him if he looks likely to keep performing as the elite QB that he is for the foreseeable future?

I can see your point if he was struggling and clearly on a major decline, but he just set the NFL record for completion percentage and led the team to what could/should have been another appearance in at leas the NFC championship game.

AsylumGuido 03-08-2018 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793987)
Not really up to Brees. If Payton wants to start grooming a young QB he will.

Oh! I see you edited your post during my response.

Yes, I can see him grooming a new QB, but I cannot see Payton selling out the immediate future to do so. Payton knows that the Saints are in a two to three year window with the dynamic young talent and the next few productive years of his Hall of Fame QB's career. I don't see him throwing away vital picks that could be used for pieces needed today for a future QB that he may very likely never even coach.

ChrisXVI 03-08-2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793991)
Oh! I see you edited your post during my response.

Yes, I can see him grooming a new QB, but I cannot see Payton selling out the immediate future to do so. Payton knows that the Saints are in a two to three year window with the dynamic young talent and the next few productive years of his Hall of Fame QB's career. I don't see him throwing away vital picks that could be used for pieces needed today for a future QB that he may very likely never even coach.

No I canít see it really making a whole lot of sense myself. Iím preparing myself for the possible shock though. Payton just seems like the type to go get his guy no matter what.

Beastmode 03-08-2018 06:29 PM

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So we sign Brees to a two year deal, spend a bunch of picks to grab this guy and he sits the bench. Ok. Looking forward to seeing him throw his first pass in 2020.

darksoul35 03-08-2018 07:16 PM

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Payton is just building relationships so he can lure him here after his rookie contract is up. We are straight on QB until then.

MarchingOn 03-08-2018 07:28 PM

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Katzenstein says "if he falls." Ha, I hope it is that but know we are considering the dreaded trade up.

voodooido 03-08-2018 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 793996)
So we sign Brees to a two year deal, spend a bunch of picks to grab this guy and he sits the bench. Ok. Looking forward to seeing him throw his first pass in 2020.

Worked well for The Packers with Farve and Rodgers.....

SmashMouth 03-08-2018 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793987)
Not really up to Brees. If Payton wants to start grooming a young QB he will.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 793989)
No, but why would the Saints choose to move on from him if he looks likely to keep performing as the elite QB that he is for the foreseeable future?

I can see your point if he was struggling and clearly on a major decline, but he just set the NFL record for completion percentage and led the team to what could/should have been another appearance in at leas the NFC championship game.

BB draft QBs all of the time. You don't think they are not drafting one this year? The Saints will draft a QB this year. We just don't know where in the draft yet.

WillSaints81 03-08-2018 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793979)
We did the same with Patrick Mahomes last year because we planned on drafting him if he was available.

Kansas City had the same pick as us last year (27) and to trade up to 10 it only cost them #27, #91 and this yearís 1st.

If Payton wants him bad enough and heís still available at 10 I wouldnít be surprised if we made that same trade.

If we do that we don't have a pick in the first two rounds to get any other players at defense. I guess the draft does not matter for maintaining a good defense down the road.

WillSaints81 03-08-2018 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 793986)
No way he falls to us.

But Saints kick tires and talk/work out EVERYONE. So its no surprise.

If we make a run at him we'd have to think we'd have to move up to #1 as the first oppitunity to snag him. At what cost???

Would Ingram be the scapegoat for Payton to have his way? I mean after his year last year is he now worth a first round pick? Maybe him and Armstead together? Don't put anything past Payton.

WillSaints81 03-08-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 793987)
Not really up to Brees. If Payton wants to start grooming a young QB he will.


Brady wanted JG gone in NE. I'm curious how Brees would take this.

WillSaints81 03-08-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 793996)
So we sign Brees to a two year deal, spend a bunch of picks to grab this guy and he sits the bench. Ok. Looking forward to seeing him throw his first pass in 2020.


Payton will probably start taking the ball out of Brees' hands as early as next year for those special trick plays. He's already implemented the wildcat.

AsylumGuido 03-09-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 794009)
BB draft QBs all of the time. You don't think they are not drafting one this year? The Saints will draft a QB this year. We just don't know where in the draft yet.

No. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we draft a QB. But, I cannot see any scenario where we burn picks to move up to take one. You do not trade away multiple picks to draft a QB in the first round to just sit him on the bench for a couple of years. Especially when you are position to win it all now. I cannot see anyone being that stupid.

Rugby Saint II 03-09-2018 01:33 PM

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We have a limited amount of draft capital. We can't afford to let the team spend it on a player who won't play for 2-3 years. We are close to another Championship and filling a couple of positions for BPA at a position of need is the way to draft in my opinion.I don't even see us drafting a QB this year or next. We will pick outside the top talent if we continue post season play,

halloween 65 03-09-2018 03:58 PM

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My question is what money do we spend on Brees on a 2 year contract? The market is going to be set by Cousins and Rodgers is waiting on that to set the field, so do we pay Brees that type of money at his age( not saying he hasn't performed) or do we possibly roll the dice with rookie that could come in with a great O-line, top running game, really good recieving core not to mention a young D that finally plays as a unit and can keep us in tight games.

AsylumGuido 03-09-2018 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 794097)
My question is what money do we spend on Brees on a 2 year contract? The market is going to be set by Cousins and Rodgers is waiting on that to set the field, so do we pay Brees that type of money at his age( not saying he hasn't performed) or do we possibly roll the dice with rookie that could come in with a great O-line, top running game, really good recieving core not to mention a young D that finally plays as a unit and can keep us in tight games.

The second option is a disaster waiting to happen. It would most likely ruin any shot of the Saints winning their second Lombardi anytime soon. Thanks, but no thanks.

halloween 65 03-09-2018 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 794099)
The second option is a disaster waiting to happen. It would most likely ruin any shot of the Saints winning their second Lombardi anytime soon. Thanks, but no thanks.

Well with that said. If Brees can't give us that 2nd Superbowl title after paying out top dollar at the qb. position it wouldn't matter anyway. Now do you think N.E. would keep paying Brady without all those trophies, I bet B.B. would trade him just like he usually does with aging players but since he has produced (5) it's justified. Been a long time since 2009 with the teams we fielded.

Rugby Saint II 03-09-2018 07:42 PM

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You don't replace a QB who is still putting up Hall of Fame numbers and has always worked with the team to keep money available for players through a restructured deal. He will earn every penny we pay him and then some. It is not his fault Loomis loves to back load contracts.

AsylumGuido 03-10-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 794131)
Well with that said. If Brees can't give us that 2nd Superbowl title after paying out top dollar at the qb. position it wouldn't matter anyway. Now do you think N.E. would keep paying Brady without all those trophies, I bet B.B. would trade him just like he usually does with aging players but since he has produced (5) it's justified. Been a long time since 2009 with the teams we fielded.

No. Because Brady is still playing at a very high level, just as is Brees. The one key player hardest to replace is QB, which I know you know. Our best possible chance in the near future of another championship involves Brees. I can't imagine another scenario that would work.

ChrisXVI 03-10-2018 07:52 PM

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Chad Forbes
@NFLDraftBites
Give Sean Payton truth serum.... Heíd roll with Baker Mayfield over Drew Brees. Seanís been infatuated with Johnny Manziel since A&M Days. And his new QB crush is Baker Mayfield. Itís a joke amongst other coaches/ execs.

voodooido 03-10-2018 08:14 PM

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I just have a bad feeling about Drew. No way it should take this long. Monday he can start talks to other teams and Wednesday we get a 18 million capbhit reguardless.

ChrisXVI 03-10-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 794194)
I just have a bad feeling about Drew. No way it should take this long. Monday he can start talks to other teams and Wednesday we get a 18 million capbhit reguardless.

I think Brees will be here still... But Iím getting very, very nervous that weíre going to trade up for Mayfield.

voodooido 03-10-2018 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 794195)
I think Brees will be here still... But Iím getting very, very nervous that weíre going to trade up for Mayfield.

Thatís what has me thinking more lol. Mayfield has been described as the next Drew. I just want to keep the Drew we have!

Beastmode 03-10-2018 09:30 PM

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Drew is not taking a pay cut. Market value. We have to wait for some other deals to pan out to see his market value. Will someone offer more? Yes! Someone will offer more. Will we match it. Yes. To a point. If it exceeds that point then we are probably blowing the draft on a QB. Pretty much have to do it at that point.

voodooido 03-10-2018 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 794198)
Drew is not taking a pay cut. Market value. We have to wait for some other deals to pan out to see his market value. Will someone offer more? Yes! Someone will offer more. Will we match it. Yes. To a point. If it exceeds that point then we are probably blowing the draft on a QB. Pretty much have to do it at that point.



Problem is we canít wait until a few others set the market. Drew has to be signed by Tuesday night or we get an 18 million cap hit no matter what. Even if Drew signs some where else we still have 18 mil Iím dead cap. He has the saints by the balls. I feel he signs by Monday or heís gone. Really expect him to sign with all the ď Saint for lifeĒ talk heís done.

Beastmode 03-10-2018 10:47 PM

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I just don't see him making any deal without knowing market value. If he has us by the balls I don't see that changing. Love the guy but he should be paid what he is worth or more. Nothing less. I feel this way about all players. They should NEVER take a pay cut. He has earned whatever someone is willing to pay.

voodooido 03-10-2018 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 794200)
I just don't see him making any deal without knowing market value. If he has us by the balls I don't see that changing. Love the guy but he should be paid what he is worth or more. Nothing less. I feel this way about all players. They should NEVER take a pay cut. He has earned whatever someone is willing to pay.

Again, if heís not signed by Wednesday we wonít sign him. We would have an 18 million cap hit not matter what. Thatís 18 million without his contract. Why not just give the man 25 a year over the next two years.

Beastmode 03-10-2018 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 794202)
Again, if heís not signed by Wednesday we wonít sign him. We would have an 18 million cap hit not matter what. Thatís 18 million without his contract. Why not just give the man 25 a year over the next two years.

Again, he will play whatever market value dictates. If he signs before the hit we are getting screwed. If he signs after we are screwed. No win situation. I personally would let him go. Just prolonging something that is going to happen in 24 months regardless. It's time to move on. It will be painful but it's going to happen so get it over with.

AsylumGuido 03-11-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 794203)
Again, he will play whatever market value dictates. If he signs before the hit we are getting screwed. If he signs after we are screwed. No win situation. I personally would let him go. Just prolonging something that is going to happen in 24 months regardless. It's time to move on. It will be painful but it's going to happen so get it over with.

I'm sorry, but that thinking is just plain stupid. We are currently set up to win it all again right now. It may be another twenty years until we are in this position again. Why throw it all away? Where is the logic in that?

:rolleyes:

That's why it is not going to happen.


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