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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Rings are overrated. These guys have just a few years to make very BIG money. Suh is luckier than most as he's been around more than 2 or 3 years and has signed multiple contracts. If it's me, I'm going ...
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03-19-2018, 08:57 AM | #11 |
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Re: You are Ndamukong Suh... what makes the most sense to do?
Rings are overrated. These guys have just a few years to make very BIG money. Suh is luckier than most as he's been around more than 2 or 3 years and has signed multiple contracts.
If it's me, I'm going for the money. That doesn't mean I'm not a team guy. I'm totally a team guy, and I'd even take a discount if I'm in the very fortunate position of a guy like Brees. Then again, 27 million ain't exactly pocket change... |
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03-19-2018, 09:24 AM | #12 |
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Re: You are Ndamukong Suh... what makes the most sense to do?
Originally Posted by saintfan
No they're not, they open a lot of doors - case in point, in my business I deal with marine, agriculture, energy (oil & gas) - wide array of folks... My friend Hal asked me to hire his kid to work in my warehouse one summer, give him a taste at real works as he wasn't putting in the time on books... At 14, this kid was already identified by pitching scouts across the country, I caught him in my warehouse on a slow afternoon - wicked movement, he was legit... But this kid knew it all, he was deaf to good advice; and he felt he was maxed out and wouldn't be a "real" pitcher; had him meet an ex-minor leaguer... As I still do business with the former pro, can't name drop, but he's got local connections and he's now a company man (if you work around oil & gas, that's a big deal)... This former pro never played a day in the majors, but he met a lot of big league talent on rehab reassignment... He'd hook big leaguer friends up with terrific fishing trips down here, then he started inviting big oil execs on these fishing excursions... Now he is a company man, earning over 500K a year and he's still doing this same schtick even today... Had him come by one Friday afternoon as I cook for my crew, and tThat day he told Hal's stubborn son this and I'll never forget it... "...if I could've played in the Bigs, maybe even rode the bench on a Series Winner, this would be peanuts - they all want to meet a winner..." Remember it like it was yesterday, and he was absolutely right... And no, the kid flunked out, GED, is expecting his third child at age 22 working as a deckhand on a barge... Yeah, getting guaranteed money is important, but don't kid yourself - Rings Matter... |
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03-19-2018, 09:34 AM | #14 |
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Re: You are Ndamukong Suh... what makes the most sense to do?
He's going to take the money...wouldn't you?
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03-19-2018, 09:38 AM | #15 |
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Lots of stories like that. I know a few guys who might have 'made it'. Heck, with a better head on my shoulders when I was a kid I might have made a hell of a second baseman - I didn't have the arm to play short or third.
But it's not the point I was making. I'm saying a guy like Suh - everybody throws rocks because he's going for the money. I'm just being real. I'm saying that people throwing those rocks aren't in his shoes. Suh is clearly looking past football. Aaron Brooks is another savvy guy who held out, made lots of money, and has put it to great use for himself and his family. Put a ring in my left and and put an extra 5 million in the other hand. I promise you I'll give the ring back every time. As fans we look at these guys and expect them to have the same loyalty. Very few players ever end up in a position to lend itself to loyalty. They get cut. Business decisions. So I'm going for the money. Rings are nice, but for 99% of the players in the league 'nice' is all they are. That doesn't mean they aren't motivated to get one. Who doesn't want to win the big game? But, in my opinion, that misses the point. |
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03-19-2018, 09:46 AM | #16 |
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Its hard to predict or what makes most sense for him.
I don't understand why sign with a team in hopes of playing for a winner and getting a ring: Its a gamble. Players who have done this probably realize its still a gamble and so difficult getting to the SB that you might as well go for the money. I can't imagine a team of advisors sitting around telling him go here for a chance to win a ring. Those advisors has a chance to get a nice check by him signing for $$$ and lots of $$$. I also agree that unless you are a QB. Go for the money. |
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03-19-2018, 10:21 AM | #18 |
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Originally Posted by Euphoria
I know where you're coming from but I wouldn't need advisors telling me crap at this point in my career. Whatever they've been telling him until now was bull anyway. Money is not everything in this life. Personal achievement is more important to me the older I get and it will be the same with him. I would rather pick a team that I thought had the greatest chance at the Superbowl toward the end of my career than pick one for the money and watch that other team win the Superbowl and me wanting to pay all the money in the world to have that feeling of winning the Superbowl.
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03-19-2018, 11:07 AM | #19 |
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Originally Posted by saintfan
And I understand your very valid argument SaintFan; I'm just arguing there's significant monetary, econominc value to having a ring...
Say an NFL player earns $20mil post agents, taxes in his NFL career; I'm saying the a player that earns say $12mil after BS with a ring or two will continue to have better access to the BBC than a guy that takes slightly more and runs... |
03-19-2018, 11:20 AM | #20 |
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Defensive lineman have just as much chance to make it into the Hall of Fame as a QB. I've listed only the DT's and a combo, without just DE's and the QB's for comparison.
Modern Era DT's in the HOF: Junious (Buck) Buchanan (DT) 1963-1975 Curley Culp 1968-1981 Richard Dent 1983-1997 Art Donovan (DT) 1950-1961 Joe Greene (DT) 1969-1981 Charles Haley 1986-1996; 1999 Dan Hampton (DT-DE) 1979-1990 Claude Humphrey 1968-1981 Henry Jordan (DT) 1957-1969 Cortez Kennedy (DT) 1990-2000 Bob Lilly (DT) 1961-1974 Leo Nomellini (DT) 1950-1963 Merlin Olsen (DT) 1962-1976 Alan Page (DT) 1967-1981 John Randle 1990-2003 Warren Sapp 1995-2007 Bruce Smith 1985-2003 Ernie Stautner (DT) 1950-1963 Michael Strahan 1993-2007 Arnie Weinmeister (DT) 1948-1953 Randy White (DT) 1975-1988 Reggie White (DT-DE) 1985-1998, 2000 Modern ERA QB's in the HOF Troy Aikman 1989-2000 George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975 Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983 Len Dawson 1957-1975 John Elway 1983-1998 Brett Favre 1991-2010 Dan Fouts 1973-1987 Otto Graham 1946-1955 Bob Griese 1967-1980 Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974 Jim Kelly 1986-1996 Bobby Layne 1948-1962 Dan Marino 1983-1999 Joe Montana 1979-1994 Warren Moon 1984-2000 Joe Namath 1965-1977 Ken Stabler 1970-1984 Bart Starr 1956-1971 Roger Staubach 1969-1979 Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978 Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964 Johnny Unitas 1956-1973 Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960 Kurt Warner 1998-2009 Bob Waterfield 1945-1952 Steve Young 1985-1999 Only included modern era because I couldn't find a list of DT's prior to 1946 for either position. There is a list for QB's before 1946 but must are just listed as HB. With this list in mind I would take 8 million for 2 years and have a 1/5 chance of winning the Superbowl over 12 million and a 1/25 chance. If you had 4 million to spend wouldn't you spend it on a Superbowl Ring? Ask those players from Minnesota, Buffalo, Panthers, Falcons or Bengals. I bet they would do it. I knew an offensive guard who played for the Bengals and he lived in Nebraska after he retired. I talked to him one day when he was wearing his Superbowl ring. He said he was very proud to wear it but would much rather have the other one. He said it kinda jokingly but you could tell he really meant it. Suh will always be remembered for stepping on people and his unprofessional treatment of players on the field unless he can propel himself to overcome that stigma and really become part of a team. |
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