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SmashMouth 03-29-2018 09:11 AM

Goodbye Tackle Football?
 


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So now we are going to maybe have players disqualified. It’s not automatic like college, but that’s pretty close.

The reason the targeting rule is tough is because 200 pound-plus men are moving at amazing speeds and making split-second reactions. They simply can’t think of where or what their head is doing. Teaching tackling is part of the process, but this really seems difficult to officiate.

We though deciding what a catch was had some issues. This is nuts. How are officials going to do this consistently? What happens when the star of a game is maybe ejected after the first drive. If the NFL officiates this by the letter of the law teams could have 20 players by the end of the game.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2...argeting-rule/

darksoul35 03-29-2018 09:19 AM

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It keeps getting worse.

K Major 03-29-2018 09:37 AM

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burningmetal 03-29-2018 09:45 AM

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This is why, at any level of football, there has to be a replay system for anything involving head contact (though high school football wouldn't be able to afford such a system).

The fact that the helmet to helmet foul has existed for years and, by the NFL' own admission, helmet to helmet contact is going UP, and significantly, at that, goes to show that these rules have never and WILL never make the game safer.

A replay should be used only to determine (as best as possible) whether there was intent or not. All other head contact should not be a foul, because it's just not realistic that rules will change the nature of a violent sport. You have to decide if you are going to play tackle football (to the OP's point) or flag football. If you choose to play tackle football, there is no such thing as a safe game, and rules will not cause people to change their natural reactions in the heat of split second decisions, in a game that moves at a hundred miles an hour.

The rules will only change how much officials will be allowed to decide games. This has been a growing problem over the years, as it is. It's ridiculous.

jeanpierre 03-29-2018 09:46 AM

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The Pussification of America is nearly complete...

Nikita Khrushchev was right - our foreign enemies will walk in without firing a shot...

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 09:55 AM

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Rugby seems to do OK.



Srgt. Hulka 03-29-2018 10:05 AM

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Soooo, when the ball carrier lowers his head just before he's tackled, is that an offensive penalty?

MatthewT 03-29-2018 10:19 AM

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Can't wait for the XFL.

K Major 03-29-2018 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Srgt. Hulka (Post 797057)
Soooo, when the ball carrier lowers his head just before he's tackled, is that an offensive penalty?

My thoughts as well. This is beginning to become a little too complicated for me to grasp. The "old school" league is long gone.

Forget this new rule for second ... I still don't know what the hell a catch is anymore in the NFL :dunce:.

frydaddy 03-29-2018 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 797058)
Can't wait for the XFL.

It's looking better and better all the time.

Barry from MS 03-29-2018 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 797060)
Forget this new rule for second ... I still don't know what the hell a catch is anymore in the NFL :dunce:.

Don't worry bout getting to know it too well. In a few years the QB will be allowed to call a "safe space timeout" during play so he can walk the ball anywhere on the field & hand it to the receiver. :rolleyes:

Beastmode 03-29-2018 10:47 AM

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Two hand touch on the back with sensors. Force indicates YAC. Too light and 20 YAC. Helmets covered in re-purposed bed springs.

Injuries go down and a plus for the environment.

CheramieIII 03-29-2018 11:13 AM

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I will watch the two new football leagues

Euphoria 03-29-2018 11:16 AM

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I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong.

There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender.

Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this...

I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level.

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 11:38 AM

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How big a deal is the new NFL rule outlawing lowering the head to initiate contact with the helmet? A very big deal.

Although we’re still waiting on specific examples of what is and is not a penalty, suffice to say that the penalty is going to make significant changes to the sport of football. The league office tells PFT that a USA Today report that the competition committee found fewer than 10 examples of plays from last year that would have been penalties under the new rule is incorrect. Instead, the league pointed us to comments from committee chair Rich McKay, who said the new rule will make a major difference.

“It’s a substantial change,” McKay said. “Lowering their head, creating a different spine angle, and delivering a blow . . . we need to protect all players at all times and say that technique is not allowed. So if you lower your head to initiate contact and you initiate, it’s a foul. . . . It’s one of the most dangerous techniques there is, but yet we’ve allowed it to creep in and it’s now very prevalent. And we need to get it out. And we’re not going to get it out by saying, ‘We need to teach it better,’ we’re going to get it out by penalizing it.”
NFL vows lowering helmet rule will be “a substantial change” to the sport – ProFootballTalk

SmashMouth 03-29-2018 11:48 AM

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Is this all part of the cheating by Goodell?

Keep grey areas and lie in order to fix games?

foreverfan 03-29-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 797050)
It keeps getting worse.

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 797058)
Can't wait for the XFL.


RENAME THE NFL THE PFL...
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The GFF League is looking mighty good.
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If she is the center, does anybody want to be the QB coach?


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burningmetal 03-29-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 797074)
I think a lot of you are getting the whole thing wrong.

There are not that many tackles these days leading with the head. Enough that those can be eliminated or coached up to stop that nonesense. When you lead with your helmet you are purposely trying to hurt someone and knock them out of the game. When you do that I think the tackler should be removed from the game if he hurts someone because that isn't fair... Knock your star out and he can stay and play??? I think its fair play to remove the offender.

Usualy it is the dirty players that are doing this...

I know injuries are apart of the game but some of it is just ridiculous and uncalled for. These players should know how to tackle at this level.

There are a TON of tackles leading with the head. I don't know why players do this, but they do.

But there are times when guys are just trying to make a normal tackle and the runner/receiver lowers HIS head and it suddenly becomes a helmet to helmet hit. These things happen very quickly, and guys get flagged for it.

If you are launching yourself head-first, then you deserve a penalty. All of the other contact is not worth a penalty, in my opinion. And you can flag players all you want to, but they will not change. They have never changed. The only thing that ever changes is the amount of flags thrown, because of the increase in "protective" rules.

Rugby Saint II 03-29-2018 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 797056)

Thanks for sharing Smash.

*Here's the deal with the low injuries to the head that cause concussion and neck injuries.........Rugby has tightened up their protocol tremendously for safety at the tackle. No more head hunting is allowed.

Too bad.....in the 70's and 80's I played with a nasty streak. Each team was allowed one sub. If you took out two players then you gained the advantage. I was down right border line dirty.........but it was legal at the time. I was an intimidator and enforcer. Of course I was also one of the smaller players early on. Although, that was then and this is now......


No tackle is allowed above the arm pit. EVER!
Every tackler must wrap with the shoulder to make a tackle. If he doesn't then it's a penalty.....do it twice and a red card is issued.
You can not lift a player off the ground to tackle him anymore.
You can not hit a player in the air that is jumping for the ball.
No more dump tackles. His shoulders shoulder never hit the ground before his hips do.
You can not grab a player by the jersey and sling him down. You must wrap him up with your shoulder and take him to the ground.


There is no first down in rugby......so a small territorial advantage doesn't really effect the game when a player falls forward the length of his body. We use the slide tackle a lot. Start the tackle at the navel and slide down and wrap his ankles. He's not going anywhere.

Goal line tackling is different.....and that is where good rugby players excel! We get low and tackle with our shoulder while driving the ball carrier up and back! The key is to tackle with your shoulder not your helmet!

This new tackle with your helmet tight to your shoulder pads introduced by the NFL is idiotic and is going to create more concussions! :argue:

Edit: If ya'll are looking for a good sport then women's rugby is awesome to watch and referee.

vpheughan 03-29-2018 03:25 PM

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THE XFL:The players will have to learn to stamp their foot as they make a tackle and the bench will be replaced by folding chairs! The day before the game the head coaches will have a "press conference" and threaten / posture like they are about to beat the hell out of each other!

The one saving "GRACE" will be a PAIR of "DOWN GIRLS" (4 downs, two Down Girls, you do the math)

Cruize 03-29-2018 06:45 PM

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If they sign up to play, let them play.

spkb25 03-29-2018 07:05 PM

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Good ol Roger...

nola_swammi 03-29-2018 08:24 PM

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I am all for trying to make football safe but this is ridiculous. Normal reflexes going to make the runner lower their helmet when they anticipated a collision. Weren't helmet supposedly made for head collisions? I couldn't imagine helmets were made for running into a player chest

jeanpierre 03-30-2018 11:22 AM

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dizzle88 03-30-2018 01:22 PM

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Making it more difficult to enjoy the sport year after year..


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