Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round

The Dude · 04-27-2018, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hard to say it’s a win-now approach when we draft a developmental pass rusher from a Conference USA school.

Exactly. He’s played against nobody’s and he’s from a nobody school. Reports on him say he is raw and will need to develop. I don’t love what we have up for him. At that price you want as close to a day one difference maker as you can get. Not just someone to use on third downs for a year until he gets it.
Especially givin Brees age and the fact we are in win now mode.
Next year might be to late.
Hope I am wrong. The FO did a great job last year but for several years prior they didn’t do that great.

To say they should have offered less is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Of course they offered less. Im also sure GB wanted more. It’s called NEGOTIATION. You don’t just take the first offer without countering

jeanpierre · 04-27-2018, 06:11 AM

jeanpierre · 04-27-2018, 06:28 AM

Cruize · 04-27-2018, 06:43 AM

Not a big fan. Too high of a price. Looks stiff. Competition was low even for college. Got a lot of his stats standing up which lessened the already low resistance. But, I get it. It was a need. Everyone who lined up opposite Jordan missed time. The staff clearly loved the guy. He'll certainly get his opportunity.

ChrisXVI · 04-27-2018, 06:49 AM

So for those of us who like to keep track of this sort of thing... It doesn’t look like we had any private workouts or even meetings with Davenport in the draft process.

There is a connection however: UTSA head coach Frank Wilson and our D-Line coach Ryan Nielsen coached together at Ole Miss.

CheramieIII · 04-27-2018, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

So for those of us who like to keep track of this sort of thing... It doesn’t look like we had any private workouts or even meetings with Davenport in the draft process.

There is a connection however: UTSA head coach Frank Wilson and our D-Line coach Ryan Nielsen coached together at Ole Miss.

The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry!

jnormand · 04-27-2018, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry!

I respectfully hope not. We've got like 9 already. And we've drafted 4 of them. And don't we use Kikaha more as a DE than a LB? I hope the answer to DE is on the team by now for hell's sake.

We've got 9 DE's for two positions. By comparison, we 13 OL for five positions.

I get that many of them will be cut or PS, but I'm just saying. Let's get this DE hunt over with. God, I hope Davenport is the one.

jeanpierre · 04-27-2018, 06:59 AM

On record, I don't like the cost of the Marcus Davenport pick at all - But I'm a Saints fan, I'm on board...

I'll critique it with y'all once we have a body of NFL work by Davenport so this will likely be a three year discussion...

Davenport will be measured against other defensive linemen in this draft and we'll see if the costs of two No. 1s was worth the move...

But in light of Payton's defense of the pick by drawing on a National Debt analogy, I have no doubt in my mind now he's a Democrat/RINO...

That was probably the last thing Payton could've said to this fan to defend the pick though...

TheOak · 04-27-2018, 06:59 AM

Beyond the value assessment for the Saints, I enjoyed sitting there with my wife (telling the TV it will certainly not be a QB) while 80% of the talking heads (experts, including Mayok) on the panel were explaining why it would definitely be a QB (she’s looking at me like I’m a fool) and like a 1/2 time SuperBowl squib kick... Sean Payton shut hem up.

jeanpierre · 04-27-2018, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Beyond the value assessment for the Saints, I enjoyed sitting there with my wife (telling the TV it will certainly not be a QB) while 80% of the talking heads (experts, including Mayok) on the panel were explaining why it would definitely be a QB (she’s looking at me like I’m a fool) and like a 1/2 time SuperBowl squib kick... Sean Payton shut hem up.

In that, there was definitely personal solace in the pick, my friend...

04-27-2018, 10:34 AM	#1
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Hard to say it’s a win-now approach when we draft a developmental pass rusher from a Conference USA school. Exactly. He’s played against nobody’s and he’s from a nobody school. Reports on him say he is raw and will need to develop. I don’t love what we have up for him. At that price you want as close to a day one difference maker as you can get. Not just someone to use on third downs for a year until he gets it. Especially givin Brees age and the fact we are in win now mode. Next year might be to late. Hope I am wrong. The FO did a great job last year but for several years prior they didn’t do that great. To say they should have offered less is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Of course they offered less. Im also sure GB wanted more. It’s called NEGOTIATION. You don’t just take the first offer without countering
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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Not a big fan. Too high of a price. Looks stiff. Competition was low even for college. Got a lot of his stats standing up which lessened the already low resistance. But, I get it. It was a need. Everyone who lined up opposite Jordan missed time. The staff clearly loved the guy. He'll certainly get his opportunity.
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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round So for those of us who like to keep track of this sort of thing... It doesn’t look like we had any private workouts or even meetings with Davenport in the draft process. There is a connection however: UTSA head coach Frank Wilson and our D-Line coach Ryan Nielsen coached together at Ole Miss. CheramieIII and jeanpierre like this.

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,497 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by ChrisXVI So for those of us who like to keep track of this sort of thing... It doesn’t look like we had any private workouts or even meetings with Davenport in the draft process. There is a connection however: UTSA head coach Frank Wilson and our D-Line coach Ryan Nielsen coached together at Ole Miss. The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry!

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by CheramieIII The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry! I respectfully hope not. We've got like 9 already. And we've drafted 4 of them. And don't we use Kikaha more as a DE than a LB? I hope the answer to DE is on the team by now for hell's sake. We've got 9 DE's for two positions. By comparison, we 13 OL for five positions. I get that many of them will be cut or PS, but I'm just saying. Let's get this DE hunt over with. God, I hope Davenport is the one. foreverfan likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round On record, I don't like the cost of the Marcus Davenport pick at all - But I'm a Saints fan, I'm on board... I'll critique it with y'all once we have a body of NFL work by Davenport so this will likely be a three year discussion... Davenport will be measured against other defensive linemen in this draft and we'll see if the costs of two No. 1s was worth the move... But in light of Payton's defense of the pick by drawing on a National Debt analogy, I have no doubt in my mind now he's a Democrat/RINO... That was probably the last thing Payton could've said to this fan to defend the pick though... RockyMountainSaint likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Beyond the value assessment for the Saints, I enjoyed sitting there with my wife (telling the TV it will certainly not be a QB) while 80% of the talking heads (experts, including Mayok) on the panel were explaining why it would definitely be a QB (she’s looking at me like I’m a fool) and like a 1/2 time SuperBowl squib kick... Sean Payton shut hem up. 73Saint, CharityMike and K Major like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by TheOak Beyond the value assessment for the Saints, I enjoyed sitting there with my wife (telling the TV it will certainly not be a QB) while 80% of the talking heads (experts, including Mayok) on the panel were explaining why it would definitely be a QB (she’s looking at me like I’m a fool) and like a 1/2 time SuperBowl squib kick... Sean Payton shut hem up. In that, there was definitely personal solace in the pick, my friend... Rugby Saint II likes this.

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