Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round

04-27-2018, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Real Saint

This guy will be a BUST.

Nice 6th post /

jeanpierre · 04-27-2018, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I get it, for several reasons
1. Win now, obviously

2. After Drew we should have a scary good defense (we'll need it)

3. He was the 2nd best DE in the draft

4. After the last couple of drafts, we are loaded with young talented prospects. Losing a draft pick doesn't hurt as much.

5. Our coaches know this kid, and his College coach well. We have a real good feel for his potential.

6. Our D-line coach, Ryan Nielson is notorious for developing young DL players

Good Points in why the selection was made.

jnormand · 04-27-2018, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry!

I respectfully hope not. We've got like 9 already. And we've drafted 4 of them. And don't we use Kikaha more as a DE than a LB? I hope the answer to DE is on the team by now for hell's sake.

We've got 9 DE's for two positions. By comparison, we 13 OL for five positions.

I get that many of them will be cut or PS, but I'm just saying. Let's get this DE hunt over with. God, I hope Davenport is the one.

73Saint · 04-27-2018, 09:49 AM

I love the posts I'm seeing where folks are saying I love the pic but we should have offered less. LOL. Give me a break and put some faith in our FO. Or maybe give yourself a little less credit.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THESE GUYS DON"T KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE?! They know what they're doing, which is why they are where they are.

K Major · 04-27-2018, 10:08 AM

Plays the run well, true DE size and athleticism. Physical beast. True pass rushers are very hard to find. Coach Neilson has a serious player to work with.

Damn the expense.

st thomas · 04-27-2018, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/fTyTQtQotzc

Listen to dunc and holder take on m Davenport at the end of segment dunc says Payton is stewing on the sidelines when the opponents have all day to throw the ball always in Dennis Allen face to call something to fix the time they have throwing Payton was fixated on getting help for cam jorden and company

Papa Voodoo · 04-27-2018, 10:16 AM

A lot of folks were upset about both Lattimore and Kamara last year. They aren't now. Any player can be a bust. Is he Clowney or Mingo? We shall see.

Danno · 04-27-2018, 10:31 AM

It should be noted that most of the negatives we're reading about Davenport are about what it cost us to acquire him, not whether or not he's a great pick for us.

I think the consensus is that we got a fantastic prospect at a crucial position which also happens to be a need for us.

We probably over-paid a little to get him, but thats certainly debatable.

Its my humble opinion that if we had numerous holes on our roster, we over-paid. But since we don't have glaring holes up and down this roster, we didn't over-pay.

Its the old Rebuild vs Re-load. We aren't rebuilding, we're re-loading and Davenport is a key piece of ammo.

The Dude · 04-27-2018, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Hard to say it’s a win-now approach when we draft a developmental pass rusher from a Conference USA school.

Exactly. He’s played against nobody’s and he’s from a nobody school. Reports on him say he is raw and will need to develop. I don’t love what we have up for him. At that price you want as close to a day one difference maker as you can get. Not just someone to use on third downs for a year until he gets it.
Especially givin Brees age and the fact we are in win now mode.
Next year might be to late.
Hope I am wrong. The FO did a great job last year but for several years prior they didn’t do that great.

To say they should have offered less is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Of course they offered less. Im also sure GB wanted more. It’s called NEGOTIATION. You don’t just take the first offer without countering

ChrisXVI · 04-27-2018, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

It should be noted that most of the negatives we're reading about Davenport are about what it cost us to acquire him, not whether or not he's a great pick for us.

I think the consensus is that we got a fantastic prospect at a crucial position which also happens to be a need for us.

We probably over-paid a little to get him, but thats certainly debatable.

Its my humble opinion that if we had numerous holes on our roster, we over-paid. But since we don't have glaring holes up and down this roster, we didn't over-pay.

Its the old Rebuild vs Re-load. We aren't rebuilding, we're re-loading and Davenport is a key piece of ammo.

You make a great point here Danno. Nobody talks about the actual player but rather the trade compensation. I’m guilty as well. All the draft gurus had Davenport as a top 15 player but for some reason giving up next year’s 1st makes him lesser of a player it seems. I don’t know... I’m pretty conflicted still.

04-27-2018, 08:46 AM	#71
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04-27-2018, 09:38 AM	#72
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by Danno I get it, for several reasons 1. Win now, obviously 2. After Drew we should have a scary good defense (we'll need it) 3. He was the 2nd best DE in the draft 4. After the last couple of drafts, we are loaded with young talented prospects. Losing a draft pick doesn't hurt as much. 5. Our coaches know this kid, and his College coach well. We have a real good feel for his potential. 6. Our D-line coach, Ryan Nielson is notorious for developing young DL players Good Points in why the selection was made.

04-27-2018, 09:41 AM	#73
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,530	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by CheramieIII The coach is why I like Breeland Speaks DE from Ole Miss in the 4th. We might not do it now because of Marcus but it can never hurt to have too many. Competition is good and makes them hungry! I respectfully hope not. We've got like 9 already. And we've drafted 4 of them. And don't we use Kikaha more as a DE than a LB? I hope the answer to DE is on the team by now for hell's sake. We've got 9 DE's for two positions. By comparison, we 13 OL for five positions. I get that many of them will be cut or PS, but I'm just saying. Let's get this DE hunt over with. God, I hope Davenport is the one. foreverfan likes this.

04-27-2018, 09:49 AM	#74
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round I love the posts I'm seeing where folks are saying I love the pic but we should have offered less. LOL. Give me a break and put some faith in our FO. Or maybe give yourself a little less credit. DO YOU REALLY THINK THESE GUYS DON"T KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE?! They know what they're doing, which is why they are where they are. AsylumGuido, CharityMike and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Plays the run well, true DE size and athleticism. Physical beast. True pass rushers are very hard to find. Coach Neilson has a serious player to work with. Damn the expense. CharityMike likes this.

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04-27-2018, 10:13 AM	#76
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://youtu.be/fTyTQtQotzc Listen to dunc and holder take on m Davenport at the end of segment dunc says Payton is stewing on the sidelines when the opponents have all day to throw the ball always in Dennis Allen face to call something to fix the time they have throwing Payton was fixated on getting help for cam jorden and company

04-27-2018, 10:16 AM	#77
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,628	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round A lot of folks were upset about both Lattimore and Kamara last year. They aren't now. Any player can be a bust. Is he Clowney or Mingo? We shall see.

04-27-2018, 10:31 AM	#78
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round It should be noted that most of the negatives we're reading about Davenport are about what it cost us to acquire him, not whether or not he's a great pick for us. I think the consensus is that we got a fantastic prospect at a crucial position which also happens to be a need for us. We probably over-paid a little to get him, but thats certainly debatable. Its my humble opinion that if we had numerous holes on our roster, we over-paid. But since we don't have glaring holes up and down this roster, we didn't over-pay. Its the old Rebuild vs Re-load. We aren't rebuilding, we're re-loading and Davenport is a key piece of ammo. Crusader, foreverfan and ChrisXVI like this.

04-27-2018, 10:34 AM	#79
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Hard to say it’s a win-now approach when we draft a developmental pass rusher from a Conference USA school. Exactly. He’s played against nobody’s and he’s from a nobody school. Reports on him say he is raw and will need to develop. I don’t love what we have up for him. At that price you want as close to a day one difference maker as you can get. Not just someone to use on third downs for a year until he gets it. Especially givin Brees age and the fact we are in win now mode. Next year might be to late. Hope I am wrong. The FO did a great job last year but for several years prior they didn’t do that great. To say they should have offered less is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Of course they offered less. Im also sure GB wanted more. It’s called NEGOTIATION. You don’t just take the first offer without countering
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04-27-2018, 10:36 AM	#80
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Saints draft Marcus Davenport after trading up in first round Originally Posted by Danno It should be noted that most of the negatives we're reading about Davenport are about what it cost us to acquire him, not whether or not he's a great pick for us. I think the consensus is that we got a fantastic prospect at a crucial position which also happens to be a need for us. We probably over-paid a little to get him, but thats certainly debatable. Its my humble opinion that if we had numerous holes on our roster, we over-paid. But since we don't have glaring holes up and down this roster, we didn't over-pay. Its the old Rebuild vs Re-load. We aren't rebuilding, we're re-loading and Davenport is a key piece of ammo. You make a great point here Danno. Nobody talks about the actual player but rather the trade compensation. I’m guilty as well. All the draft gurus had Davenport as a top 15 player but for some reason giving up next year’s 1st makes him lesser of a player it seems. I don’t know... I’m pretty conflicted still.

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