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Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 800628)

Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that...

But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense...

Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief...

And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste...

And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football...

Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul...

Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks...

Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

My angle is and has always been that the draft is a crapshoot. Of ALL the players drafted in a given year, how many are still in the league 3 years later?

Did the Saints take some risks this year? You bet. They were educated risks to be sure, and the guys taking the risks are FAR more educated about the risks they're taking than you or I - although you are clearly more up to speed about the draft than me, the difference between you and the Saints FO is still significant.

I don't think it was "Ditka" draft as some have said, nor do I believe it was a dumpster fire. Far from it, and I think people are undervaluing our ability to coach this talent up, which is surprising considering how we all revere the quality of coaching on or team. It's not about blind faith. I don't have that. Like I said, I think it's a crapshoot.

We took some risks. We didn't "play it safe". Safe isn't always the best play.

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

My Camp beast ... Tre'Quan Smith. His production is all over the place.

We all know Mike Thomas is approaching elite status, Cam Meredith has tons of potential. Ted Ginn is getting up in age ... this pick makes too much sense ... especially for the future.

Can't wait for training camp.

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 800643)

Other than a couple of picks, we drafted for depth and down the line future starters. Still say we need to get an UDFA QB... maybe that kid from the Ivy League, Princeton's Chad Kanoff.

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

I give the draft a B- or a C. The Saints needed a TE. What did they leave the draft without? A TE. Davenport may work out, but they still gave a little too much for him. And why draft a RB when you're set at that position?

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by llaguardia81 (Post 800652)

First of all, why would you draft a TE just for the hell of it if you feel they don't fit your program. Most of the quality TE's went prior to the Saints third rounder and at that point I am sure they valued Smith as a greater upside. We have Ben Watson now and Fleener still has tons of potential.

As for the running back, how are we set at that position? We have two legitimate starting backs on our roster and then a few special teams members at the position. If Boston Scott can beat out any of those existing RB's, which I fully expect that he will, it improves the quality of the team. And if he is able to become the #3 RB, which I feel he has the ability to do, it will give us that insurance that we need at such a vital position.

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I read earlier where someone said that this felt more like a Payton/Loomis draft. It seems like Ireland has done a good job of scaling back on Payton's tendency to gamble big in recent years but just couldn't keep a lid on it this year.

The gambles are big but so are the rewards. It may take more than just training camp to find these young players max potential. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode.

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 800636)

For all we know we may have. Time will tell.

And how do you know those picks could have been had as UDFA's? It is very possible, and I would venture to say very probable, that other teams had their eyes on thos players, as well.

You're absolutely right, time will tell on this group as well...

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

Dikta bad? Doubtful. But possible.

This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's.

CB (and I use the term lightly) Jean-Baptiste in the 2nd was Dikta bad and - with WR Landry still available - criminal.

Fortt in the 4th? Dikta-bad and with his medical history, criminal.

Tavon Rooks in the 6th? Joke. Dikta-bad.

I wonder if some in our FO could no longer bear to see the spotlight shift to Ireland for credit in our last two great drafts. Cannot see this being an Ireland draft.

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 800663)

This board hasn't panned a draft like this since 2014's.

Careful now. We're not allowed to pan this draft b/c we're not scouts, coaches, or GMs. We're just YouTube highlight monitors.

That's the requirement for questioning any & all picks, apparently. :rolleyes:

Re: My thought on the 2018 draft

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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 800665)

No. It's because you are not psychics hovering over your crystal balls knowing all. The fact is that none of us have a fraction of the information that the true decision makers have at their availability. How many of us have personally interviewed these players? How many of us have worked them out?

Pan away, but be prepared to eat the proverbial crow.