My thought on the 2018 draft

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2018, 09:34 AM

Sorry, but I don't have an issue at all with our draft this year. I feel some people around here have become spoiled with the overwhelming success of the past couple of drafts. A big difference this year is that the vast majority of our available picks were much further down the line in order. You rarely get a starter after the third round. It is deemed a success if any of those picks add depth and/or enhance the special teams.

Well, I see two players that are likely to make the starting lineup within the next couple of years, with both having the likelihood of making an immediate impact. Davenport and Smith. All of the rest stand a chance of displacing other players in the second half of the 53 man roster which is all you can hope for at the minimum. We'll just have to wait and see. If four of the seven make the roster I see it as a success.

The Saints were one fluke play away from playing for the privilege to go to the Super Bowl. That takes a pretty solid roster and one that gets harder and harder for incoming draftees to crack. That means you might need to take a shot at a few that you (those that are intimate in the selection process) feel could make that jump.

I repeat, I do not have an issue with this draft at all and look optimistically toward this season and the future to see how these picks fit into the next few Lombardi's that that find their way into the trophy case in Metairie.

19-0 Baby!

lee909 · 04-29-2018, 09:48 AM

Lets be honest we could have selected 6 punters and you'd argue it was the right call.

The people who's jobs are on the line if its bad drafts are the ones that live and die by the picks so its all fine by me. The last 2 drafts have been good previous yeats a bit hit and mixed. If Davenport is the difference maker and rest a mixed back then they have still done well.

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2018, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

Lets be honest we could have selected 6 punters and you'd argue it was the right call.

The people who's jobs are on the line if its bad drafts are the ones that live and die by the picks so its all fine by me. The last 2 drafts have been good previous yeats a bit hit and mixed. If Davenport is the difference maker and rest a mixed back then they have still done well.

Now that would have been a bit of a stretch. I could see maybe three just to create a healthy camp battle.

Barry from MS · 04-29-2018, 11:27 AM

Some of us feel like there were so many better moves that could have been made.

Staying put at 27 plus keeping next year's #1 woulda possibly gotten us Taven Bryan or Harold Landry for the D-Line. I'd take either of them AND our next year's pick over Davenport. Unless MD turns Pro Bowler in the next 3-5 years, this was not worth the price we paid.

Not much of a problem with the 3rd Rd...I still think we coulda done better with Harrison, Phillips, Cappa on the board. But I get it.

4th was completely wasted. Leonard coulda been had as UDFA. Sweat, Hurst, Shaq Griffin, and on and on could've been had in the 4th. Left too much talent on the board with taking a project OLineman who would not have been drafted before the 7th and who will be on the PS for the next 2 years. Or bagging groceries by September.

However, the Jamerson & Moore picks are solid for the 5th/6th. Both could make this team with ST play. We've also seen 5's & 6's beat out 1's, 2's & 3's as starters...not unheard of by far.

The Scott pick is definitely a "Payton Pick". Hard to tackle, Yards after contact, good pass catcher out the backfield, elusive. Love the pick.

Clapp in the 7th is a steal. Dude just blocked for Fournette & Guice the last 2 years. He also blocked some elite D-Lineman from the best D-lineman conference in the nation.

Not our best draft, but we did very well after the 4th.

saintsfan1976 · 04-29-2018, 11:42 AM

Could would shoulda...

Fact remains, no one here knows how those drafted before or after will produce compared to who we picked.

Time will tell but I'm inclined to side with the guys who've actually interacted with the prospects, not those who've fallen in love with their Youtube highlights.

rezburna · 04-29-2018, 11:56 AM

I’m good with this draft too. I only had 3 concerns:

WR ✔️
Edge ✔️
TE ❌

I’m content.

B_Dub_Saint · 04-29-2018, 12:05 PM

I'm with you Guido. I'm not second guessing the front office anymore. Let's go win the Super Bowl!

SmashMouth · 04-29-2018, 12:21 PM

According to Nathan Forster of ESPN and Football Outsiders, Davenport is projected to have 25.9 sacks through his first five seasons which makes it the most for any other edge rusher. The projected stats are done by SackSEER who precited success for edge rushers such as Von Miller and Kalil Mack. Here's what Forster had to say about Davenport. SackSEER's numbers give Davenport just the slightest edge over the more highly touted Chubb. As Clay Matthews and his 4.5 career college sacks can tell you, success at the edge rusher position can often be more about potential than production. Davenport shows statistical signs that he could be ready to similarly blossom in the NFL.

Marcus Davenport projected to be most productive pass rusher

jeanpierre · 04-29-2018, 12:37 PM

Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that...

But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense...

Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief...

And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste...

And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football...

Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul...

Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks...

Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

AsylumGuido · 04-29-2018, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that...

But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense...

Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief...

And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste...

And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football...

Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul...

Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks...

Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year...

For all we know we may have. Time will tell.

And how do you know those picks could have been had as UDFA's? It is very possible, and I would venture to say very probable, that other teams had their eyes on thos players, as well.

04-29-2018, 09:34 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	My thought on the 2018 draft Sorry, but I don't have an issue at all with our draft this year. I feel some people around here have become spoiled with the overwhelming success of the past couple of drafts. A big difference this year is that the vast majority of our available picks were much further down the line in order. You rarely get a starter after the third round. It is deemed a success if any of those picks add depth and/or enhance the special teams. Well, I see two players that are likely to make the starting lineup within the next couple of years, with both having the likelihood of making an immediate impact. Davenport and Smith. All of the rest stand a chance of displacing other players in the second half of the 53 man roster which is all you can hope for at the minimum. We'll just have to wait and see. If four of the seven make the roster I see it as a success. The Saints were one fluke play away from playing for the privilege to go to the Super Bowl. That takes a pretty solid roster and one that gets harder and harder for incoming draftees to crack. That means you might need to take a shot at a few that you (those that are intimate in the selection process) feel could make that jump. I repeat, I do not have an issue with this draft at all and look optimistically toward this season and the future to see how these picks fit into the next few Lombardi's that that find their way into the trophy case in Metairie. 19-0 Baby! saintfan, Danno, Rsanders24 and 8 others like this.
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04-29-2018, 09:48 AM	#2
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Lets be honest we could have selected 6 punters and you'd argue it was the right call. The people who's jobs are on the line if its bad drafts are the ones that live and die by the picks so its all fine by me. The last 2 drafts have been good previous yeats a bit hit and mixed. If Davenport is the difference maker and rest a mixed back then they have still done well.

04-29-2018, 09:58 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by lee909 Lets be honest we could have selected 6 punters and you'd argue it was the right call. The people who's jobs are on the line if its bad drafts are the ones that live and die by the picks so its all fine by me. The last 2 drafts have been good previous yeats a bit hit and mixed. If Davenport is the difference maker and rest a mixed back then they have still done well. Now that would have been a bit of a stretch. I could see maybe three just to create a healthy camp battle. Rugby Saint II and lee909 like this.

04-29-2018, 11:27 AM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Some of us feel like there were so many better moves that could have been made. Staying put at 27 plus keeping next year's #1 woulda possibly gotten us Taven Bryan or Harold Landry for the D-Line. I'd take either of them AND our next year's pick over Davenport. Unless MD turns Pro Bowler in the next 3-5 years, this was not worth the price we paid. Not much of a problem with the 3rd Rd...I still think we coulda done better with Harrison, Phillips, Cappa on the board. But I get it. 4th was completely wasted. Leonard coulda been had as UDFA. Sweat, Hurst, Shaq Griffin, and on and on could've been had in the 4th. Left too much talent on the board with taking a project OLineman who would not have been drafted before the 7th and who will be on the PS for the next 2 years. Or bagging groceries by September. However, the Jamerson & Moore picks are solid for the 5th/6th. Both could make this team with ST play. We've also seen 5's & 6's beat out 1's, 2's & 3's as starters...not unheard of by far. The Scott pick is definitely a "Payton Pick". Hard to tackle, Yards after contact, good pass catcher out the backfield, elusive. Love the pick. Clapp in the 7th is a steal. Dude just blocked for Fournette & Guice the last 2 years. He also blocked some elite D-Lineman from the best D-lineman conference in the nation. Not our best draft, but we did very well after the 4th. jeanpierre likes this.
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04-29-2018, 11:42 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Could would shoulda... Fact remains, no one here knows how those drafted before or after will produce compared to who we picked. Time will tell but I'm inclined to side with the guys who've actually interacted with the prospects, not those who've fallen in love with their Youtube highlights. AsylumGuido, B_Dub_Saint, CharityMike and 1 others like this.

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04-29-2018, 11:56 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft I’m good with this draft too. I only had 3 concerns: WR ✔️ Edge ✔️ TE ❌ I’m content. AsylumGuido, B_Dub_Saint, CharityMike and 1 others like this.

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B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft I'm with you Guido. I'm not second guessing the front office anymore. Let's go win the Super Bowl! AsylumGuido likes this.

04-29-2018, 12:21 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft According to Nathan Forster of ESPN and Football Outsiders, Davenport is projected to have 25.9 sacks through his first five seasons which makes it the most for any other edge rusher. The projected stats are done by SackSEER who precited success for edge rushers such as Von Miller and Kalil Mack. Here's what Forster had to say about Davenport. SackSEER's numbers give Davenport just the slightest edge over the more highly touted Chubb. As Clay Matthews and his 4.5 career college sacks can tell you, success at the edge rusher position can often be more about potential than production. Davenport shows statistical signs that he could be ready to similarly blossom in the NFL. Marcus Davenport projected to be most productive pass rusher Rsanders24 and AsylumGuido like this.

04-29-2018, 12:37 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that... But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense... Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief... And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste... And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football... Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul... Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks... Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year... saintsfan1976 and Barry from MS like this.
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04-29-2018, 01:07 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: My thought on the 2018 draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre Appreciate of some y'all's optimism, really I do and I don't engage to make light of it - have too much respect for y'all - my post history will show that... But this "no second guessing" and "in Loomis we trust" is naive to not question the FO moves; only local media defends the haul with 'wait and see" as a defense... Let's not forget Payton and Loomis had one great draft, one, in their tenure; and no, don't give them credit for 2006 where all 32 teams passed on Colston and Strief... And I'd remind Loomis was GM when we traded two first round picks passing on eight All-Pro players for Johnathan Sullivan; also on Stanley Jean Baptiste... And we still can't get a member of the press on a story explaining how Stephone Anthony went from being nearly DROTY to incapable of playing football... Again, have always appreciated some of your optimism, loyalty is rare these days and is to be cherished; but this is a dumpster fire of a draft haul... Only two picks came in where they should have - S Natrell Jamerson and C/G Will Clapp; taking two maybe three players, ikely UDFAs, with draft picks... Again, love the blind loyalty, but this draft needs to be questioned because we should be putting the final pieces in place for a run this year... For all we know we may have. Time will tell. And how do you know those picks could have been had as UDFA's? It is very possible, and I would venture to say very probable, that other teams had their eyes on thos players, as well.

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