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The Dude 04-29-2018 09:19 PM

I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
We got a good first round pick at a position of need but broke the bank on him. Seems like they were just playing with house money in Benson’s absence.
FA wasn’t any better. We pick up a decent “when healthy” veteran and an aging TE. I do like having Watson back but I don’t see him being a game changer.
We pick 2 CBs to throw into an already crowded backfield and a RB that we plain out don’t need.
We’ve ALWAYS found solid depth backs in UDFA. This guy ain’t no Ingram.

Please point out some positives

saintsfan1976 04-29-2018 09:27 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
You mean the team who was one play from the NFCCG last year? The team returning 22 starters?

What did you feel we should have addressed?

foreverfan 04-29-2018 09:28 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
We just don't have a ton of needs anymore.

Still, we upgraded both our LB and WR.
We filled in at TE and signed 6-9 TE Nate Wozniak!
We were the most injured team in the NFL last playoffs.
We didn't lose anybody of importance.
We are not depending our our #1 pick to own the defense to succeed.
We've had 2 solid NFL drafts back to back.

Dude.... you're hard to please. Put down the booze it is Sunday.

K Major 04-29-2018 09:35 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Is this a serious post?

Good Lord.

frydaddy 04-29-2018 09:46 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
There's the "The Dude" I remember. Someone hijacked your account for a bit last year and was posting as you. I knew it couldn't be though because that guy was somewhat positive. And if there's one thing I've come to learn about you it's that the sky is always falling.

Danno 04-29-2018 09:57 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Upgraded every position group on the team.
We lost no one
We have numerous young promising players returning
Were you paying attention, or just craving attention?

saintfan 04-29-2018 09:59 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society's pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole that he's in
Bob has "The Dude's" number...

But it's alright ma. He's only whinin'...

jnormand 04-29-2018 10:05 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Are you serious? I think you need to explain what they should've done a better job of. It'd be easier for you to argue your own points than wait for someone else's logic to change your mind. Can you explain you're position on the off season and what you think should've been done?

The Dude 04-29-2018 10:43 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 800730)
Are you serious? I think you need to explain what they should've done a better job of. It'd be easier for you to argue your own points than wait for someone else's logic to change your mind. Can you explain you're position on the off season and what you think should've been done?

Should have at least bundled some of those later picks and try to stockpile some for next year. 2 players make this roster and that’s only because they pretty much have to keep Laquan to save face.

jeanpierre 04-29-2018 11:36 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 800722)
We got a good first round pick at a position of need but broke the bank on him. Seems like they were just playing with house money in Benson’s absence.
FA wasn’t any better. We pick up a decent “when healthy” veteran and an aging TE. I do like having Watson back but I don’t see him being a game changer.
We pick 2 CBs to throw into an already crowded backfield and a RB that we plain out don’t need.
We’ve ALWAYS found solid depth backs in UDFA. This guy ain’t no Ingram.

Please point out some positives

First, our coaching staff stayed in-tact; we have a coaching staff among the best in all of football...

Second, we brought in a wiser, better Patrick Robinson who was among the best nickel CBs last year to upgrade the nickel and make our secondary among the best...

Third, it may be TE by committee, but we brought back a veteran tight end and two promising UDRFA that should make the position very competitive, stronger...

Fourth, an under-the-radar draft pick is S Natrell Jamerson, an absolute ball hawk, an upgrade at safety to the two-draft pick expensed Vonn Bell...

Jamerson's a terrific gunner on kick coverage and can return punts in a pinch; Natrell will be a difference maker by season's end...

Fifth, he'll need more strength and better technique (coaching), but we found an able replacement for interior swing offensive lineman in Will Clapp...

Sixth, we signed a terrific veteran swing safety in Kurt Coleman who upgrades our safety group with a better disciplined approach in the secondary...

Seventh, we got a 1-A receiver as our slot receiver for only 5mil/year who should solve a lot of last season's headaches on third downs and red zones...

I'm not happy with the draft as a whole, in fact, I'm disappointed and skeptical of the return we'll get on the first round pick...

Nor did I like overpaying for a MLB who's only had one positive graded season in the NFL and is now in essentially his fifth defense...

But I appreciate the opportunity to be fair and point that there are many positives to a team that lost in the playoffs in the final minutes at a tough stadium...

Rugby Saint II 04-30-2018 12:16 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frydaddy (Post 800727)
There's the "The Dude" I remember. Someone hijacked your account for a bit last year and was posting as you. I knew it couldn't be though because that guy was somewhat positive. And if there's one thing I've come to learn about you it's that the sky is always falling.



The Dude needs to get back on medications is all. I remember a thread asking what we used to sedate ourselves on game day and he mentioned anxiety medications. I see a different perspective when I take my meds too. Who Dat!:bng:

turbo_dog 04-30-2018 12:59 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 800722)
We got a good first round pick at a position of need but broke the bank on him. Seems like they were just playing with house money in Benson’s absence.
FA wasn’t any better. We pick up a decent “when healthy” veteran and an aging TE. I do like having Watson back but I don’t see him being a game changer.
We pick 2 CBs to throw into an already crowded backfield and a RB that we plain out don’t need.
We’ve ALWAYS found solid depth backs in UDFA. This guy ain’t no Ingram.

Please point out some positives

I think you're being extreme. I will grant you that the Boston Scott and Kamrin Moore picks weren't my favorites. I was hoping for more LB depth. But I have a feeling our special teams just improved with those two guys.

AsylumGuido 04-30-2018 01:02 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 800838)
I think you're being extreme. I will grant you that the Boston Scott and Kamrin Moore picks weren't my favorites. I was hoping for more LB depth. But I have a feeling our special teams just improved with those two guys.

I honestly feel we are loaded at LB, especially with the free agency addition of DeMario Davis. The guy is a baller and will be starting Mike on day one.+

billyt81 04-30-2018 02:11 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Cameron Meredith if healthy is a great athlete. He could really help us. Keith Kirkwood WR UDFA from Temple will help us. Boston Scott can return kicks and add another home run threat to an already potent offense. Ben Watson is a legit all around good tight end. Davenport adds a monster athlete to the DE spot making a solid defense even better. Of course we need Davenport to be the impact player they obviously think he is. But if he is the real deal and we have Cam Jordan and a young stud Davenport........It could work out.

shawnkytonk 04-30-2018 02:21 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
How did we break the bank to get Davenport? I keep seeing this nonsense.

SaintFanQ 04-30-2018 03:09 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Iv'e looked through the list of players we've picked up and I think we did well.

Ignore the media giving us a hard time for some of our picks. SP and the FO know what they are doing and who they wanted.

Someone has put in another post that they think Davenport is a bust! Really, how would you know that, he hasn't played a down for the Saints yet!!!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

AsylumGuido 04-30-2018 03:50 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 800851)
How did we break the bank to get Davenport? I keep seeing this nonsense.

We didn't. We gave what could be the worst 1st rounder next year and a 5th this year to move up an incredible 13 spots in the first round. That's an educated gamble. It will even result in a lower cap hit for rookie next year. Win/Win!

AsylumGuido 04-30-2018 03:54 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanQ (Post 800861)
Iv'e looked through the list of players we've picked up and I think we did well.

Ignore the media giving us a hard time for some of our picks. SP and the FO know what they are doing and who they wanted.

Someone has put in another post that they think Davenport is a bust! Really, how would you know that, he hasn't played a down for the Saints yet!!!!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

You must consider the source. According to this person every Saints draft is a bust come Saturday all the way through 2050. For some it's how they roll. If you always expect the worst you are seldom disappointed ... unless it was the worse you were wishing for, of course.

turbo_dog 05-03-2018 10:58 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 800839)
I honestly feel we are loaded at LB, especially with the free agency addition of DeMario Davis. The guy is a baller and will be starting Mike on day one.+

I like the addition of Davis a lot! Especially that he hasn't missed a game in his career. If Klein, Davis, and Robertson are on the field, I'm pretty happy. I just worry about the depth, since Anzelone and Kikaha haven't stayed healthy.

K Major 05-03-2018 11:35 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 801150)
I like the addition of Davis a lot! Especially that he hasn't missed a game in his career. If Klein, Davis, and Robertson are on the field, I'm pretty happy.

I agree. Demario is a sleeper FA signing. I know our great friend Hagan was beating the drum to get AJ Klein last year but I'm just not all that impressed with his play. Just felt that Robertson was the most consistent LB we had. It wouldn't surprise me to see Nolan slide AJ over to SAM.

IMO Davis (MLB) will become our Ellerbe in 2018 without the injury concerns. He adds much needed speed, instincts & physical nature you must have at the position.

WW_Who_Dat 05-03-2018 12:18 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 800735)
Should have at least bundled some of those later picks and try to stockpile some for next year. 2 players make this roster and that’s only because they pretty much have to keep Laquan to save face.

Confused ... You would have bundled the later round picks and ended up with fewer picks this year ... ?

Not use this years picks for 2 OL"ers for OL depth an absolute critical need weather you like them or not they were the BPA at the position when we picked?

Trade picks from this year draft to Stockpile another mid round pick next year?

saintfan 05-03-2018 01:14 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
I was resigned. How is that not enough?

saintsfan1976 05-03-2018 01:18 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
At the end of the season, maybe ask Matt , Jameis and Cam if we did enough.

CharityMike 05-03-2018 02:38 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 801158)
I was resigned. How is that not enough?

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

SmashMouth 05-03-2018 05:20 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
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Audiotom 05-04-2018 12:16 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 800728)
Upgraded every position group on the team.
We lost no one
We have numerous young promising players returning
Were you paying attention, or just craving attention?

we lost a very productive tackle / guard

Senio Kelemete

The Dude 05-04-2018 12:31 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 800824)
The Dude needs to get back on medications is all. I remember a thread asking what we used to sedate ourselves on game day and he mentioned anxiety medications. I see a different perspective when I take my meds too. Who Dat!:bng:

No I said BJ’s
As a matter of fact things are looking pretty bright as far as the teams improvement. Somehow I think they got better over night.

vpheughan 05-04-2018 05:21 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
EGGSPURTS claim you can’t rule on a player until their rookie contract is up

Euphoria 05-05-2018 10:08 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 801233)
EGGSPURTS claim you can’t rule on a player until their rookie contract is up

I think there is a lot of truth to this claim.

I usually wait 3 years and then grade the draft.

saintfan 05-05-2018 10:48 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 801233)
EGGSPURTS claim you can’t rule on a player until their rookie contract is up

Alvin would be one of many who would disagree.

SmashMouth 05-05-2018 11:33 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 800722)
We got a good first round pick at a position of need but broke the bank on him. Seems like they were just playing with house money in Benson’s absence.
FA wasn’t any better. We pick up a decent “when healthy” veteran and an aging TE. I do like having Watson back but I don’t see him being a game changer.
We pick 2 CBs to throw into an already crowded backfield and a RB that we plain out don’t need.
We’ve ALWAYS found solid depth backs in UDFA. This guy ain’t no Ingram.

Please point out some positives

As long as you continue to pre-game-bang your old lady for good luck, we got nothing to worry about, Dude. :bng:

WillSaints81 05-07-2018 06:52 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
We didn't have many needs to fill. However, I feel our weak link among all of our strong points is Ingram. You won't get to a super bowl without successfully running the ball. And if it's not successful and SP keeps at it for a whole half, then we find our offense stalling and waiting until the second half to get anything going. We could be going to LA against that rams defense in the playoffs and how do we get by that without running the ball well? It's imo put up or shut up for Ingram next season. No more stalling at the wrong time or in every big game. Some will say the defense should have done this or that, but running the ball makes everything easier

K Major 05-07-2018 09:31 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 801377)
We didn't have many needs to fill. However, I feel our weak link among all of our strong points is Ingram. You won't get to a super bowl without successfully running the ball.

For 2017 MI had over 1100 rushing yards (ranked 5th)
Rushing avg 4.9 (ranked 4th)
Rushing TD 12 (ranked 2nd)

More impressively he put up those highly productive numbers while splitting time with Kamara.

How on earth is Mark the worst of the best in this offense :dunce:? He's already "put up". You guys are reaching.

Utah_Saint 05-07-2018 09:35 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 801377)
We didn't have many needs to fill. However, I feel our weak link among all of our strong points is Ingram. You won't get to a super bowl without successfully running the ball. And if it's not successful and SP keeps at it for a whole half, then we find our offense stalling and waiting until the second half to get anything going. We could be going to LA against that rams defense in the playoffs and how do we get by that without running the ball well? It's imo put up or shut up for Ingram next season. No more stalling at the wrong time or in every big game. Some will say the defense should have done this or that, but running the ball makes everything easier

Saints ranked first for rushing yards per attempt 4.7 (tie), 5th in total rushing yards 2070 and led the league in rushing touchdowns 23 by a good margin.

Mark Ingram was fifth in the league in rushing yards 1124 and fourth in the league in yards per attempt 4.9.

Looks to me like the Saints and Mark Ingram put up. I'd say that is "successfully running the ball".

Seer1 05-07-2018 10:19 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 801393)
Saints ranked first for rushing yards per attempt 4.7 (tie), 5th in total rushing yards 2070 and led the league in rushing touchdowns 23 by a good margin.

Mark Ingram was fifth in the league in rushing yards 1124 and fourth in the league in yards per attempt 4.9.

Looks to me like the Saints and Mark Ingram put up. I'd say that is "successfully running the ball".

Let's take it a step farther - The offense did fine. Our real weak point was at TE and even that was okay by them adjusting the offense. If you were to really boil it down, it comes to the position we spent two draft picks on. If Davenport pans out, we're off to the races!

hitta 05-08-2018 08:43 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
I'm from the future. We win the Super Bowl and have both the number 1 ranked offense and defense.

ChrisXVI 05-08-2018 08:51 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
I can’t believe there’s still people who give Ingram a hard time. He’s about to become the Saints all-time leading rusher and he’s an absolute role model on and off the field.

K Major 05-08-2018 09:31 AM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 801413)
I can’t believe there’s still people who give Ingram a hard time. He’s about to become the Saints all-time leading rusher and he’s an absolute role model on and off the field.

The hate is unbelievable & he's been a damn good player for years.

Papa Voodoo 05-08-2018 01:16 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
WS81, are you referring to the end of the season when Kamara went out? I think the offense as a whole had to work through that dip. No TE and Kamara out left us with one solid RB and 1 solid WR. Not may options.

jnormand 05-08-2018 02:03 PM

Re: I really don’t see anything that we have done this offseason to improve this team.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 801421)
The hate is unbelievable & he's been a damn good player for years.

Its completely ridiculous. Its annoying.


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