Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition

05-01-2018, 11:23 AM

And look as much as I disliked our first three picks, I'll be fair and put some perspective and context on this...

We could have been Seattle who nearly took Rashaad Penny where they were originally slotted...

Time will tell, but a little insight on Penny adjusting to the NFL...

While I was scouting TE David Wells for the Saints, he was used almost always as a blocker...

The Aztecs made sure that Penny didn't (and was often the case) receive contact until he was already two yards over the line of scrimmage...

San Diego State often lined up in heavy packages, even with an extra tackle, to power the ball downfield...

Am curious to see if Penny has success with the rebuilding project, dumpster fire of an offensive line the Seahawks have...

So as much as I disliked our first three picks, moves - it could be worse for those who disliked the Saints' 2018 draft haul...

Barry from MS · 05-01-2018, 11:31 AM

Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part?

I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL.

Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board.

jeanpierre · 05-01-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part?

I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL.

Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board.

Or offensive line, specifically Virginia Tech's Wyatt Teller or Appalachian State Colby Gossett, h*ll, even Army's Brett Toth...

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2018, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part?

I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL.

Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board.

TE's, LB's and DT's are nowhere near as needy as OL depth. If it wasn't for Kelemete we would have been a world of hurt the past couple of years. He's gone now as is Strief. OL depth was far more important top address. The addition of DeMario Davis in free agency greatly reduced the need for a LB via the draft. I expect Davis to have FAR more impact for the Saints defense than any LB outside of the first round. And we have a very competent rotation of DT's available especially with the addition of Davenport to draw the extra attention.

Rugby Saint II · 05-01-2018, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

TE's, LB's and DT's are nowhere near as needy as OL depth. If it wasn't for Kelemete we would have been a world of hurt the past couple of years. He's gone now as is Strief. OL depth was far more important top address. The addition of DeMario Davis in free agency greatly reduced the need for a LB via the draft. I expect Davis to have FAR more impact for the Saints defense than any LB outside of the first round. And we have a very competent rotation of DT's available especially with the addition of Davenport to draw the extra attention.

I'm with stupid!

CharityMike · 05-01-2018, 01:21 PM

I think the part that is missing in all this is, where the Saints had players on there board. This is the thing we all have zero clue about. So if Leonard was higher on our board than others, we did the right thing. It may look bad to others but as far as the Saints concern, they followed there board and trusted the scouts who scouted the players.

CheramieIII · 05-01-2018, 01:43 PM

I've got something to leak and I'm getting old so I've got to run!

Barry from MS · 05-01-2018, 01:59 PM

I'm very thankful to get The Clapp with 7th Rd pick for that G/C depth. And we now have 5 OTs...Armstead, Ram, Peat, Bushrod, and Leonard. Since Slick Rick is a Saint, I only hope the best turn out for the kid.

However, I choose not to put complete blind optimistic faith in whatever our FO does. They've made amazing drafts/signings, but they've also made some really dumb ones, too. They're not the Almighty Infallible.

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2018, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

I'm very thankful to get The Clapp with 7th Rd pick for that G/C depth. And we now have 5 OTs...Armstead, Ram, Peat, Bushrod, and Leonard. Since Slick Rick is a Saint, I only hope the best turn out for the kid.

However, I choose not to put complete blind optimistic faith in whatever our FO does. They've made amazing drafts/signings, but they've also made some really dumb ones, too. They're not the Almighty Infallible.

And how many college OT's transition to OG? Quite a few. It is very common.

Barry from MS · 05-01-2018, 03:19 PM

SP said nothing to indicate he'd be an OG. But I'm done talking bout a 4th Rd pick. Everyone knows my opinion & my reasoning behind it. I'll spare the forum bickering bout a dude who hasn't even been on a Saints practice field. Hope he destroys my opinion for the good of the team.

05-01-2018, 11:23 AM	#11
Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) And look as much as I disliked our first three picks, I'll be fair and put some perspective and context on this... We could have been Seattle who nearly took Rashaad Penny where they were originally slotted... Time will tell, but a little insight on Penny adjusting to the NFL... While I was scouting TE David Wells for the Saints, he was used almost always as a blocker... The Aztecs made sure that Penny didn't (and was often the case) receive contact until he was already two yards over the line of scrimmage... San Diego State often lined up in heavy packages, even with an extra tackle, to power the ball downfield... Am curious to see if Penny has success with the rebuilding project, dumpster fire of an offensive line the Seahawks have... So as much as I disliked our first three picks, moves - it could be worse for those who disliked the Saints' 2018 draft haul... Last edited by jeanpierre; 05-01-2018 at 11:36 AM..
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05-01-2018, 11:31 AM	#12
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part? I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL. Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board.

05-01-2018, 11:35 AM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition Originally Posted by Barry from MS Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part? I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL. Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board. *Or offensive line, specifically Virginia Tech's Wyatt Teller or Appalachian State Colby Gossett, hll, even Army's Brett Toth...** Barry from MS likes this.

05-01-2018, 12:45 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition Originally Posted by Barry from MS Still some growth b/c of lack of experience on offensive side of the ball. Didn't hear that part? I said "basically" what SP said. Needs growth coupled with relatively little experience on OL. Still don't like the pick at all with the amount of talented & experienced TEs, LBs & DTs on the board. TE's, LB's and DT's are nowhere near as needy as OL depth. If it wasn't for Kelemete we would have been a world of hurt the past couple of years. He's gone now as is Strief. OL depth was far more important top address. The addition of DeMario Davis in free agency greatly reduced the need for a LB via the draft. I expect Davis to have FAR more impact for the Saints defense than any LB outside of the first round. And we have a very competent rotation of DT's available especially with the addition of Davenport to draw the extra attention. jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.
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05-01-2018, 12:54 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition Originally Posted by AsylumGuido TE's, LB's and DT's are nowhere near as needy as OL depth. If it wasn't for Kelemete we would have been a world of hurt the past couple of years. He's gone now as is Strief. OL depth was far more important top address. The addition of DeMario Davis in free agency greatly reduced the need for a LB via the draft. I expect Davis to have FAR more impact for the Saints defense than any LB outside of the first round. And we have a very competent rotation of DT's available especially with the addition of Davenport to draw the extra attention. I'm with stupid! SaintFanInATLHELL and Rell&Gold like this.

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05-01-2018, 01:21 PM	#16
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition I think the part that is missing in all this is, where the Saints had players on there board. This is the thing we all have zero clue about. So if Leonard was higher on our board than others, we did the right thing. It may look bad to others but as far as the Saints concern, they followed there board and trusted the scouts who scouted the players. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

05-01-2018, 01:43 PM	#17
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition I've got something to leak and I'm getting old so I've got to run! CharityMike likes this.

05-01-2018, 01:59 PM	#18
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition I'm very thankful to get The Clapp with 7th Rd pick for that G/C depth. And we now have 5 OTs...Armstead, Ram, Peat, Bushrod, and Leonard. Since Slick Rick is a Saint, I only hope the best turn out for the kid. However, I choose not to put complete blind optimistic faith in whatever our FO does. They've made amazing drafts/signings, but they've also made some really dumb ones, too. They're not the Almighty Infallible. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-01-2018, 02:10 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition Originally Posted by Barry from MS I'm very thankful to get The Clapp with 7th Rd pick for that G/C depth. And we now have 5 OTs...Armstead, Ram, Peat, Bushrod, and Leonard. Since Slick Rick is a Saint, I only hope the best turn out for the kid. However, I choose not to put complete blind optimistic faith in whatever our FO does. They've made amazing drafts/signings, but they've also made some really dumb ones, too. They're not the Almighty Infallible. And how many college OT's transition to OG? Quite a few. It is very common.

05-01-2018, 03:19 PM	#20
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Did Saints reach for Florida State's Rick Leonard? Agent: New Orleans outmaneuvered competition SP said nothing to indicate he'd be an OG. But I'm done talking bout a 4th Rd pick. Everyone knows my opinion & my reasoning behind it. I'll spare the forum bickering bout a dude who hasn't even been on a Saints practice field. Hope he destroys my opinion for the good of the team. CharityMike likes this.

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